'16 5.0 vs. '16 SS
06-24-2017, 01:13 PM
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I bet my GTP could beat your turd to 60.
06-24-2017, 01:27 PM
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Hey guys, lol.
Yeah, most likely. That's alright ... it's been entertaining to read all of this.
So you're saying that this becomes a restriction at FBO and past?
Personally, I would do a ported CJ manifold or nothing at all if I was going to commit to an N/A build. The factory manifold is actually pretty well designed. A lot can be done without changing it.
I have a friend with a 624hp Roush charged '16. It's on the stock warranty tune. I believe his best trap is 123-124 in positive DA? He can't get traction to save his life, but the thing is I see some FBO S550 N/A setups trapping 120+. I would be mortified if my blower only S550 was door to door with an FBO E85 N/A setup. What I'm saying is, expectations are big when you put a power adder on these factory N/A cars.
As for the TVS vs. Paxton debate ... I'm not sure. OEMs seem to prefer TVS setups. Some people claim the strain on the crank pulley from Paxton-style blowers leads to premature OPG/crank sprocket failure. Who knows.
I do know this, the 5.0 isn't super torquey around town. I miss that from my GM products. It's also so damn quiet the sensation of speed is dulled.
But in reality building a bolt on 5.0 is dumb when you can slap a blower on and make way more power for about the same price. I've built both already. Bokt on manual that made 480whp. Full weight ran 11.2@122 with no fourth gear because lost syncro. Then sc auto, stall, boss intake and x pipe, full rw of 4000lbs ran 10.3@134. Both in texas Sept weather. The sc 5.0 ran 9.94@137 in ga winter.
I have a friend with a 624hp Roush charged '16. It's on the stock warranty tune. I believe his best trap is 123-124 in positive DA? He can't get traction to save his life, but the thing is I see some FBO S550 N/A setups trapping 120+. I would be mortified if my blower only S550 was door to door with an FBO E85 N/A setup. What I'm saying is, expectations are big when you put a power adder on these factory N/A cars.
As for the TVS vs. Paxton debate ... I'm not sure. OEMs seem to prefer TVS setups. Some people claim the strain on the crank pulley from Paxton-style blowers leads to premature OPG/crank sprocket failure. Who knows.
I do know this, the 5.0 isn't super torquey around town. I miss that from my GM products. It's also so damn quiet the sensation of speed is dulled.
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06-24-2017, 07:28 PM
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06-24-2017, 10:00 PM
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Hey guys, lol.
Yeah, most likely. That's alright ... it's been entertaining to read all of this.
So you're saying that this becomes a restriction at FBO and past?
Personally, I would do a ported CJ manifold or nothing at all if I was going to commit to an N/A build. The factory manifold is actually pretty well designed. A lot can be done without changing it.
I have a friend with a 624hp Roush charged '16. It's on the stock warranty tune. I believe his best trap is 123-124 in positive DA? He can't get traction to save his life, but the thing is I see some FBO S550 N/A setups trapping 120+. I would be mortified if my blower only S550 was door to door with an FBO E85 N/A setup. What I'm saying is, expectations are big when you put a power adder on these factory N/A cars.
As for the TVS vs. Paxton debate ... I'm not sure. OEMs seem to prefer TVS setups. Some people claim the strain on the crank pulley from Paxton-style blowers leads to premature OPG/crank sprocket failure. Who knows.
I do know this, the 5.0 isn't super torquey around town. I miss that from my GM products. It's also so damn quiet the sensation of speed is dulled.
Yeah, most likely. That's alright ... it's been entertaining to read all of this.
So you're saying that this becomes a restriction at FBO and past?
Personally, I would do a ported CJ manifold or nothing at all if I was going to commit to an N/A build. The factory manifold is actually pretty well designed. A lot can be done without changing it.
I have a friend with a 624hp Roush charged '16. It's on the stock warranty tune. I believe his best trap is 123-124 in positive DA? He can't get traction to save his life, but the thing is I see some FBO S550 N/A setups trapping 120+. I would be mortified if my blower only S550 was door to door with an FBO E85 N/A setup. What I'm saying is, expectations are big when you put a power adder on these factory N/A cars.
As for the TVS vs. Paxton debate ... I'm not sure. OEMs seem to prefer TVS setups. Some people claim the strain on the crank pulley from Paxton-style blowers leads to premature OPG/crank sprocket failure. Who knows.
I do know this, the 5.0 isn't super torquey around town. I miss that from my GM products. It's also so damn quiet the sensation of speed is dulled.
And if i commited to n/a setup i would do the gt350 intake. Less tq loss and almost same hp as the cj.
06-24-2017, 10:06 PM
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The design is 100percent perfect as released. It's a throwback to the early 70's hen a small block Chevy had moderately sized ports that had great flow. Great torque and HP.
They made less peak power than a boss 302/351, but from idle to say 6k they owned the boss engine in torque.
The new LT has 300+ cfm of low in a high velocity, moderately tapered , moderate cross section port.
The result is unparalleled torque. The limit is rpms, cam duration and lift.
There is no point in running a cam with duration that lowers torque, and operates above the rpm where the port chokes from that same volocity that makes the torque it is designed for.
People want to port the head and turn it into a LS cross section.
I stand by my opinion that a long runner intake that has a peak torque rpm of 4500-5500 with first order Helmholtz tuning.
That intake would make the LT1 feel like it's supercharged.
Cubic inches will add torque but will have limited rpm range from port choke.
Pray in this forum is THE MAN in LT power IMO.
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06-25-2017, 03:52 PM
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We were talking about 0 to 60 and 0 to 100 times. God, you're stupid. And I raped it twice. And raped a mid 11 second camero. U mad
06-26-2017, 07:40 PM
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The 12.1 s197 had a tune. Fastest s550 I've seen is 12.3. 4 people on one forum alone have run 11.9 bone stock 6g
6g has gone 10.8 unstripped with a stock converter bolt on so far. And he doesn't have headers yet. Beauty of the east coast lol. 6g are also capable of about 500 rwhp bolt on.
The only way a 5.0 is beating a comparable 6g is with more mods or heavy weight reduction. It's simple power to weight. The bros also love the nitrous fuel that is so conveniently overlooked
Find me one 37-3800 lb s550 running my times with a stock converter. And I'm at an average track in 1500 DA. It doesn't exist. I've been to the track plenty of times. A comparable 5.0 isn't beating me without some kind of advantage. The last FBO converter car I seen was running 11.5@119 when I'm at 11.1-2@120-122.
Get out the ftw purple, rev it to near death, throw in a gigantic stall and strip it to a tin can and we've got a race
6g has gone 10.8 unstripped with a stock converter bolt on so far. And he doesn't have headers yet. Beauty of the east coast lol. 6g are also capable of about 500 rwhp bolt on.
The only way a 5.0 is beating a comparable 6g is with more mods or heavy weight reduction. It's simple power to weight. The bros also love the nitrous fuel that is so conveniently overlooked
Find me one 37-3800 lb s550 running my times with a stock converter. And I'm at an average track in 1500 DA. It doesn't exist. I've been to the track plenty of times. A comparable 5.0 isn't beating me without some kind of advantage. The last FBO converter car I seen was running 11.5@119 when I'm at 11.1-2@120-122.
Get out the ftw purple, rev it to near death, throw in a gigantic stall and strip it to a tin can and we've got a race
06-27-2017, 12:32 AM
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If so inclined I bet you can match nanner with just E85 and drag pack with proper trans tuning. Enjoy the new ride. Congrats
