'16 5.0 vs. '16 SS
06-23-2017, 08:04 AM
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'16 5.0 vs. '16 SS Hey guys, I'm new to the forum. I actually found it as I was searching around trying to get some insight on a recent race. I lurk over on Camaro6 more often, but it's a little too fanboy heavy, so I'm hopeful this site is better.
I've had both GM and Ford products. I don't realy have a preference for either. In fact, I planned to trade in my '16 5.0 6MT for a '17 A8 SS if GM runs the 20% off discount at the end of the summer, but a couple recent races with a '16 SS are giving me second thoughts.
A buddy has a '16 SS M6 with a catback (MBRP).
I have a '16 5.0 6MT with an intake and a tune. I'm on 93 octane.
Based on what I've seen across Youtube, I expected that when we did a couple runs he would pull me, but we were dead even, or I was ahead maybe half a car at most. We both drove without error, but given the outcome, do the 6MT's seem to run noticably slower than the A8's from a roll? We didn't run from a dig, but I expect that any SS should edge me?
For reference, these are my recent track runs. I have no desire to do further mods since I'm considering trading the car, so I am OK with the ETs and the fact this chassis sucks at getting off the line. I understand a set of axles and a DR will help, but what's the point? I run stock psi, stock wheels and tires with no burnout, 1500ish rpm "launch":
12.78@114.4, 2.19 60', 2650DA
12.66@112.6, 2.08 60', 3200DA
I'm OK with the understanding that if the SS added a tune/intake he'd pull me, but I don't see the point of trading in if we're this close. I would've still been OK even if he pulled me by two cars, so this is a pleasant surprise. What does everyone think?
I've had both GM and Ford products. I don't realy have a preference for either. In fact, I planned to trade in my '16 5.0 6MT for a '17 A8 SS if GM runs the 20% off discount at the end of the summer, but a couple recent races with a '16 SS are giving me second thoughts.
A buddy has a '16 SS M6 with a catback (MBRP).
I have a '16 5.0 6MT with an intake and a tune. I'm on 93 octane.
Based on what I've seen across Youtube, I expected that when we did a couple runs he would pull me, but we were dead even, or I was ahead maybe half a car at most. We both drove without error, but given the outcome, do the 6MT's seem to run noticably slower than the A8's from a roll? We didn't run from a dig, but I expect that any SS should edge me?
For reference, these are my recent track runs. I have no desire to do further mods since I'm considering trading the car, so I am OK with the ETs and the fact this chassis sucks at getting off the line. I understand a set of axles and a DR will help, but what's the point? I run stock psi, stock wheels and tires with no burnout, 1500ish rpm "launch":
12.78@114.4, 2.19 60', 2650DA
12.66@112.6, 2.08 60', 3200DA
I'm OK with the understanding that if the SS added a tune/intake he'd pull me, but I don't see the point of trading in if we're this close. I would've still been OK even if he pulled me by two cars, so this is a pleasant surprise. What does everyone think?
06-23-2017, 08:31 AM
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Definitely not the typical scenario that you hear all over the internet lol. This doesn't surprise me though because I've seen time and time again (in person) where one car should beat the other hands down based on all the stats and info but it doesn't
06-23-2017, 08:48 AM
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Yeah, we let off at the top of my 4th gear, so these weren't short runs. I have a base model with the only option being wheels, so maybe the 3.31 rear is better from a roll. Is the A8 gearing better from a roll as well as a dig?
I shift at 67-6800 per the recommendation of my tuner. Apperently a lot of people overrev the stock manifold. When I was shifting at 72-7300 my traps were low 113 in like 500-1000 DA, but when I started shifting at 6800 my traps shot up and were actually better in signficantly worse DA. I was reluctant to believe his recommendation because I was still under the belief that momentum was carried better with a high rpm shift from 1-2, and 2-3, but the proof was on the slips. Maybe others out there rev the **** out of the stock mani and do what I was doing wrong.
I love the way the Camaro sounds. Either car is something I'd like to keep mostly stock for a while. I've had extensively modified cars before, and comfort always suffers. At this point, it's figuring out if the extra cost and loss of side visbility/trunk space is worth it. IMO, the Camaro has a great chassis, which is very rewarding.
In a few years, I would consider supercharing the 5.0, but with that I'd need to do a clutch, driveshaft, oil pump gears and crank sprocket and axles. At that point it may just make sense to get a better car. Maybe like a used Hellcat. Factory boost is always more reliable than adding forced induction, IMO.
I shift at 67-6800 per the recommendation of my tuner. Apperently a lot of people overrev the stock manifold. When I was shifting at 72-7300 my traps were low 113 in like 500-1000 DA, but when I started shifting at 6800 my traps shot up and were actually better in signficantly worse DA. I was reluctant to believe his recommendation because I was still under the belief that momentum was carried better with a high rpm shift from 1-2, and 2-3, but the proof was on the slips. Maybe others out there rev the **** out of the stock mani and do what I was doing wrong.
I love the way the Camaro sounds. Either car is something I'd like to keep mostly stock for a while. I've had extensively modified cars before, and comfort always suffers. At this point, it's figuring out if the extra cost and loss of side visbility/trunk space is worth it. IMO, the Camaro has a great chassis, which is very rewarding.
In a few years, I would consider supercharing the 5.0, but with that I'd need to do a clutch, driveshaft, oil pump gears and crank sprocket and axles. At that point it may just make sense to get a better car. Maybe like a used Hellcat. Factory boost is always more reliable than adding forced induction, IMO.
06-23-2017, 11:48 AM
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The SS dude could have been shifting lower than optimal. Try running an A8 and see if there's a difference.
And I see that Guitard's *** is still stinging from the raw doggin Ive given him the past few days.
And I see that Guitard's *** is still stinging from the raw doggin Ive given him the past few days.
06-23-2017, 12:18 PM
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Both cars are close if you got a good deal on the 5.0 I would keep it . I've drove both the 6spd and A8 the stick did not impress me at all. The A8 felt much faster and would of been the car I got if I had to choose . But just do some FI and be done with it the new 5.0 can handle it much better than the previous 5.0
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06-23-2017, 12:21 PM
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I just asked him. He said he was shifting at 6400. I'm not sure what redline is on that car.
It's hard to find 6th gens. in my area who want to do a run. Maybe the stars will align.
Here's a crappy video:
It's hard to find 6th gens. in my area who want to do a run. Maybe the stars will align.
Here's a crappy video:
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06-23-2017, 12:22 PM
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I just asked him. He said he was shifting at 6400. I'm not sure what redline is on that car.
It's hard to find 6th gens. in my area who want to do a run. Maybe the stars will align.
Here's a crappy video:
http://vid86.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2gucv8to.mp4
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It's hard to find 6th gens. in my area who want to do a run. Maybe the stars will align.
Here's a crappy video:
http://vid86.photobucket.com/albums/...ps2gucv8to.mp4
<embed width="600" height="361" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowFullscreen="true" allowNetworking="all" wmode="transparent" src="http://static.photobucket.com/player.swf" flashvars="file=http%3A%2F%2Fvid86.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fk110%2F16mustangGT%2F5.0SS_zps2gucv8to .mp4&title=">
06-23-2017, 12:28 PM
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Both cars are close if you got a good deal on the 5.0 I would keep it . I've drove both the 6spd and A8 the stick did not impress me at all. The A8 felt much faster and would of been the car I got if I had to choose . But just do some FI and be done with it the new 5.0 can handle it much better than the previous 5.0
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That video didn't link up. Nvm, fixed it.
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06-23-2017, 02:30 PM
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Yeah, probably makes sense to keep it and look for the '19 Camaro mid-cycle. For the short term, I could do an E85 tune. It's only a set of injectors. Makes more sense that getting out of a car to get another one that's pretty comparable. Hopefully GM will add some power, etc., for their refresh.
OH
That video didn't link up. Nvm, fixed it.
OH
That video didn't link up. Nvm, fixed it.
06-23-2017, 04:13 PM
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Fast lists, same track same day tests, countless YouTube vids, my personal experience... all say that it's not even close stock vs stock. About a half second. Hell I was beating a tuned drag pack auto s550 by a half second all day long with an untuned LBO car last year. He never got the memo it was supposed to be a good race
Modded vs stock from a roll with manuals anything can happen. I don't doubt your results. Nice job
Modded vs stock from a roll with manuals anything can happen. I don't doubt your results. Nice job
06-23-2017, 05:20 PM
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If considering the switch, OP, I'd definitely wait for the 16-20% deal like you mentioned. The 2SS trim is a very nice car.
Really depends what you want.
As far as blanket statements, the only thing the 6G beats the s550 at is stock for stock acceleration. The s550 has it covered bolt ons, SLB, SBE, etc etc.
Really depends what you want.
As far as blanket statements, the only thing the 6G beats the s550 at is stock for stock acceleration. The s550 has it covered bolt ons, SLB, SBE, etc etc.
06-23-2017, 05:24 PM
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The only way a 5.0 has a 6g camaro ss "covered" is with more mods.... lol
No contest. Get yourself the superior 6g ss in ALL performance metrics, not just straight line.
No contest. Get yourself the superior 6g ss in ALL performance metrics, not just straight line.
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