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Coyotes are only fast on the internet. And sometimes not even there

V8EATR

Due to the LS superior design, I though it should have no problem beating a coyote with the same cubes, no?

HioSSilver

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Do to coyote superior design i would think it wouldn't need 3 more cams and 16 more valves to continue losing to ls.

V8EATR

So you admit, pound for pound per say, its better?

R6cowboy

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Coyote vs LS, CI fairly equal is interesting. Obviously 5.0 needs bored & stroked (via aftermarket internals) to get 344ci. Make it fair, LS gets 346ci or 347ci aftermarket internals. There's the level foundation playing field per CI. That being the only stip ain't nothing to cry over. No limit on cam, heads, intake, compression, same fuel, same engine dyno is interesting nonetheless. In my guess, solid roller (per no valvetrain limit) 346/347 LS setup would have a slight edge.

snake95

But dug already said the better designed Coyote needs to be at a CI disadvantage for the playing field to be equal...or am I just paraphrasing?

R6cowboy

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I honestly don't think the LS "needs" a displacement advantage. Which is strange that Doug even mentions the "you stroke, I stroke" scenario. Because if the LS doesn't need the CI advantage, that's just more credit to and that much more impressive for the LS. He should say, "that's fine, the LS doesn't need bored and stroked to still out-do the coyote", to better suit his argument and hold the LS even higher up on his pedestal.

Mike Morris

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The fact a 20 year old design is competitive to a new Ford design is incredible. The Ford offerings from that era are not even close.

MACHXLR8

I agree but you have to take into consideration that Ford made the move to go away from the older design 2v pushrod motor and move toward an overhead cam 4v motor. I am sure there was a learning curve during this transition.

I think that in time, the benefits of this transition will show itself in many ways. Just look at the advances they already made from the 4V to the Coyote. It will only get better as the next generations come out.

From what I understand, GM possibly wants to go this route for their new Vette motor. I am sure GM will have their share of faults if they decide to go this way also.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Lol....pound 4 pound the coyote loses worse. It's heavier and can't make as much power.

So what you're saying is you have to limit ls stuff to the old cathedral heads because it gets spanked real hard any other way.

Are you saying furd fucked up and didn't make the 5br0 large enough to compete?

Please quote where i said the coyote design was better.

Are you ******* as stupid as snake?

I said if you bore/stroke it i bore/stroke the ls. Not because i give 2 ***** about the ci advantage. ......but to put equal effort into the engines.

Seems as tho you morons think it's fair to custom bore/sleeve/stroke one engine while leaving the other one stock......idiots


This is where i throw the ******* rules out. Because your rules only limits the ls. For christ sake i can make a 427 ls using stock parts.......stoke and bore that coyote all you and 427 **** stomps it.

So far the fairest comparo we've seen the the ls3 vs coyote. We know those results

snake95

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snake95

GM northstars are the literally the floor of DOHC engines. There isn't a worse DOHC design on the market, from any manufacturer. That's why they stick to pushrods

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

I was merely making fun of what he said dipshit. Jesus. .....are you guys really that dense

Yea.....it only took furd over 20yrs to get past the old zr1 hp. So far the 5br0 hasn't surpassed that junky *** northstar for power either

codyvette

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Sorry Hio, that was an outsourced boat motor. Not really GM.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

It was a collaborative effort between lotus, mecury and gm

Only sold in the vette that i know of

JC316

iTrader: (1)

You brought it up, I set the record straight. There is a difference between being a mechanic and making **** go fast. We were talking about reliability, where predictably, you run in to kiss GM's *** like you own stock in the company.

As for making your **** go faster, that's easy. Swap out the 100 shot for a 150 shot, you might not need a timing error to reach 10's.

R6cowboy

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Do I have to remind you there are badass small bore square-port heads out there? Do you not know how well some aftermarket cathedral heads perform and what they're capable of? Yeah, I'm saying there's even cathedral stuff that can put it to the coyote.

Are you too ******* stupid to look at a CI to CI scenario? You don't have to give 2 ***** about a scenario to recognize it. Yes, we are saying to limit the LS as far as increasing its CI. Listen, we all know leaving the LS at stock cubes is limiting its potential. That stip is ONLY considered for an equal cubes scenario, where I'm still giving the LS the edge IMO. Sorry that's causing you to freak out.

At least I did not say to leave the LS bottom end stock, I said to add aftermarket internals, to physically strengthen it, just like the coyote aftermarket bottom end would be strengthened.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Lol....you weak ****** bitch. I bet your yt channel covers ****** **** starring who else butt you

I answered reliability. You wanna know the last engine i rebuilt? Termi motor......due to reliability issue. If you actually had any reading comprehension at all you would see i covered both gm and furd in that post.

Actually a good mechanic can and should be able to make **** run at it's peak.......you are neither. Although 14s is what i expect out of a 4v super swap you did. You even suck at doin cheesy yt vids.

HioSSilver

iTrader: (8)

Yea i know cathedral stuff can *** whip the coyote to.....as i said eariler coyote and cathedral stuff is more comparable. Dud you not ******* understand that?


But why dhould i be worried about bring only comparable when i can rip their dick off and shove it down their throat?

I don't have to give 2 ***** nor do i have to recognize the ci crap. It's about as useful as hp/l.....so what....you ran out of litres. I didn't. Besides i have addressed this already.


The ls at stock cubes kicked the coyotes ***.....ls3 vs coyote. ....remember.

Basically you want to limit the ls and have a free for all with the coyote. Like i said....i can build a 427 ci with stock ls stuff. Not my problem if you can't do that with coyote stuff. But don't limit one engine while modding the **** out of the other and think that's fair......because you're flat wrong and you look stupid on top of that.

RedFuryZ28

Just a few months ago, JC thought that high stalls only worked in 1st gear.