Ford needs a supercharger to compeet
10-24-2017, 06:41 PM
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10-24-2017, 06:47 PM
#202
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Just that 425lb/ft @8000rpm is less power(hp) than 385lb/ft @9000rpm.
10-24-2017, 06:47 PM
#203
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But 1000 tq at 1000 rpm is way better then 500 tq at any rpm. Just ask Hio...
10-24-2017, 06:57 PM
#205
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No bobble head ma'am. You pull stumps with your camero and luv TQ at 1000rpm. It's cool br0.
******* noob. lol
******* noob. lol
10-24-2017, 07:17 PM
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10-24-2017, 07:28 PM
#208
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horsepower is torque produced over time.
thus the formula. torque at rpm.
the reason a ls3has an advantage in certain scenaros is, the LS3 produces more horsepower at low rpms.
torque is an instantaneous value. without including the time factor there is no horsepower.
I will tell you the reason 68 superstock mustangs beat the hemis in the winternationals.
the hemis were catching the **** out of the 428 cobra jet mustangs. the hemis were catching them because the 68 CJ's were 50 feet ahead at 330 feet. torque at low rpms. horsepower at low rpms. a 410hp 428 cobra jet(the real horsepower not the rating) couldn't compete with a 550hp hemi EXCEPT the CJs owned the hemis from idle to 4500 rpms.
the same scenario plays itself out today when a FBO 2016 Camaro SS runs neck and neck with a HCI 2013 Z28 on a road course. the 2016SS is giving up 150rwhp but ZERO torque from idle to 4000 rpms.
all of that means ZERO I say ZERO if the rpm advantage of the engine that has the horsepower advantage has enough of a rpm advantage for the mechanical advantage of gearing to negate the low rpm horsepower advantage of the larger engine, AND the participants never see low rpms in the competition.
10-24-2017, 07:35 PM
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10-24-2017, 07:42 PM
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10-24-2017, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by assasinator
look HIO.
horsepower is torque produced over time.
thus the formula. torque at rpm.
the reason a ls3has an advantage in certain scenaros is, the LS3 produces more horsepower at low rpms.
torque is an instantaneous value. without including the time factor there is no horsepower.
I will tell you the reason 68 superstock mustangs beat the hemis in the winternationals.
the hemis were catching the **** out of the 428 cobra jet mustangs. the hemis were catching them because the 68 CJ's were 50 feet ahead at 330 feet. torque at low rpms. horsepower at low rpms. a 410hp 428 cobra jet(the real horsepower not the rating) couldn't compete with a 550hp hemi EXCEPT the CJs owned the hemis from idle to 4500 rpms.
the same scenario plays itself out today when a FBO 2016 Camaro SS runs neck and neck with a HCI 2013 Z28 on a road course. the 2016SS is giving up 150rwhp but ZERO torque from idle to 4000 rpms.
all of that means ZERO I say ZERO if the rpm advantage of the engine that has the horsepower advantage has enough of a rpm advantage for the mechanical advantage of gearing to negate the low rpm horsepower advantage of the larger engine, AND the participants never see low rpms in the competition.
horsepower is torque produced over time.
thus the formula. torque at rpm.
the reason a ls3has an advantage in certain scenaros is, the LS3 produces more horsepower at low rpms.
torque is an instantaneous value. without including the time factor there is no horsepower.
I will tell you the reason 68 superstock mustangs beat the hemis in the winternationals.
the hemis were catching the **** out of the 428 cobra jet mustangs. the hemis were catching them because the 68 CJ's were 50 feet ahead at 330 feet. torque at low rpms. horsepower at low rpms. a 410hp 428 cobra jet(the real horsepower not the rating) couldn't compete with a 550hp hemi EXCEPT the CJs owned the hemis from idle to 4500 rpms.
the same scenario plays itself out today when a FBO 2016 Camaro SS runs neck and neck with a HCI 2013 Z28 on a road course. the 2016SS is giving up 150rwhp but ZERO torque from idle to 4000 rpms.
all of that means ZERO I say ZERO if the rpm advantage of the engine that has the horsepower advantage has enough of a rpm advantage for the mechanical advantage of gearing to negate the low rpm horsepower advantage of the larger engine, AND the participants never see low rpms in the competition.
10-24-2017, 08:24 PM
#212
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10-24-2017, 08:57 PM
#213
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look HIO.
horsepower is torque produced over time.
thus the formula. torque at rpm.
the reason a ls3has an advantage in certain scenaros is, the LS3 produces more horsepower at low rpms.
torque is an instantaneous value. without including the time factor there is no horsepower.
I will tell you the reason 68 superstock mustangs beat the hemis in the winternationals.
the hemis were catching the **** out of the 428 cobra jet mustangs. the hemis were catching them because the 68 CJ's were 50 feet ahead at 330 feet. torque at low rpms. horsepower at low rpms. a 410hp 428 cobra jet(the real horsepower not the rating) couldn't compete with a 550hp hemi EXCEPT the CJs owned the hemis from idle to 4500 rpms.
the same scenario plays itself out today when a FBO 2016 Camaro SS runs neck and neck with a HCI 2013 Z28 on a road course. the 2016SS is giving up 150rwhp but ZERO torque from idle to 4000 rpms.
all of that means ZERO I say ZERO if the rpm advantage of the engine that has the horsepower advantage has enough of a rpm advantage for the mechanical advantage of gearing to negate the low rpm horsepower advantage of the larger engine, AND the participants never see low rpms in the competition.
horsepower is torque produced over time.
thus the formula. torque at rpm.
the reason a ls3has an advantage in certain scenaros is, the LS3 produces more horsepower at low rpms.
torque is an instantaneous value. without including the time factor there is no horsepower.
I will tell you the reason 68 superstock mustangs beat the hemis in the winternationals.
the hemis were catching the **** out of the 428 cobra jet mustangs. the hemis were catching them because the 68 CJ's were 50 feet ahead at 330 feet. torque at low rpms. horsepower at low rpms. a 410hp 428 cobra jet(the real horsepower not the rating) couldn't compete with a 550hp hemi EXCEPT the CJs owned the hemis from idle to 4500 rpms.
the same scenario plays itself out today when a FBO 2016 Camaro SS runs neck and neck with a HCI 2013 Z28 on a road course. the 2016SS is giving up 150rwhp but ZERO torque from idle to 4000 rpms.
all of that means ZERO I say ZERO if the rpm advantage of the engine that has the horsepower advantage has enough of a rpm advantage for the mechanical advantage of gearing to negate the low rpm horsepower advantage of the larger engine, AND the participants never see low rpms in the competition.
Tq is power period. You could actually do the **** away with the hp number and use only tq @ rpm if one wanted. Tq don't mean only having low rpm power. Some engines get tuned to make power....tq at higher rpm. Tq us the only thing that accelerates you. It is the twsting motion that moves you. Because that's all a engine can make.
Trucks like tq at lower rpms.....race cars like it at higher rpms. They typically sacrifice lower rpm power for higher rpm power but it's all ******* tq.
You ever wonder why i say 5br0s don't run well up top? It's because of their tq curve. They make peak tq at around 5500rpm. There hp kinda floats along level from 6800ish to 7500ish . But that whole time tq is dropping. If you make 440whp but 360tq at that peak hp but your tq keeps falling but you're making the same 440ish hp you're not accelerating as hard. It's what they feel flat. All the modulars feel flat because of that. They just rev but the pull is gone.
I have no idea about the hemi vs the 428 ****. To many variables and I'm sure the scenario you said wasn't always the case.
If you think they're alot if variables in drag racing stay the **** off a road course. That scenario screams drivers are not comparable. Fact is a z28 readily hands a ss camaro it's *** on a road course as it should. The 1le camaro does very very well at closing that gap.......but it has nothing to do with power. It has to do with chassis dynamics and carrying speed.
To further prove your incompetence on this subject go to a local autox or road course and watch miatas drive the **** away from you with alot less power.
You are trying to give one engine a gearing advantage over another. That's not what we're talking about here. We are talking about power
Lol.....if thought any of the bullshit he said had any value whate so ever you're a bigger idiot than i thought. And that's saying something.
Or me na for that matter
10-24-2017, 09:07 PM
#215
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Thread Starter
You're the noob if you think tq dies nothing. And it seems that's what you think.
Tq is not hp. Tq is power
Hhhmmmm....i didn't say any of that.
Do you have any ****** idea wtf your saying sometimes?
Tq is power period. You could actually do the **** away with the hp number and use only tq @ rpm if one wanted. Tq don't mean only having low rpm power. Some engines get tuned to make power....tq at higher rpm. Tq us the only thing that accelerates you. It is the twsting motion that moves you. Because that's all a engine can make.
Trucks like tq at lower rpms.....race cars like it at higher rpms. They typically sacrifice lower rpm power for higher rpm power but it's all ******* tq.
You ever wonder why i say 5br0s don't run well up top? It's because of their tq curve. They make peak tq at around 5500rpm. There hp kinda floats along level from 6800ish to 7500ish . But that whole time tq is dropping. If you make 440whp but 360tq at that peak hp but your tq keeps falling but you're making the same 440ish hp you're not accelerating as hard. It's what they feel flat. All the modulars feel flat because of that. They just rev but the pull is gone.
I have no idea about the hemi vs the 428 ****. To many variables and I'm sure the scenario you said wasn't always the case.
If you think they're alot if variables in drag racing stay the **** off a road course. That scenario screams drivers are not comparable. Fact is a z28 readily hands a ss camaro it's *** on a road course as it should. The 1le camaro does very very well at closing that gap.......but it has nothing to do with power. It has to do with chassis dynamics and carrying speed.
To further prove your incompetence on this subject go to a local autox or road course and watch miatas drive the **** away from you with alot less power.
You are trying to give one engine a gearing advantage over another. That's not what we're talking about here. We are talking about power
On that day, track and at that rw with a comparable car there is no doubt hammers engine could do that. Fact is came only ls6 nearly did that.
Lol.....if thought any of the bullshit he said had any value whate so ever you're a bigger idiot than i thought. And that's saying something.
Or me na for that matter
Tq is not hp. Tq is power
Hhhmmmm....i didn't say any of that.
Do you have any ****** idea wtf your saying sometimes?
Tq is power period. You could actually do the **** away with the hp number and use only tq @ rpm if one wanted. Tq don't mean only having low rpm power. Some engines get tuned to make power....tq at higher rpm. Tq us the only thing that accelerates you. It is the twsting motion that moves you. Because that's all a engine can make.
Trucks like tq at lower rpms.....race cars like it at higher rpms. They typically sacrifice lower rpm power for higher rpm power but it's all ******* tq.
You ever wonder why i say 5br0s don't run well up top? It's because of their tq curve. They make peak tq at around 5500rpm. There hp kinda floats along level from 6800ish to 7500ish . But that whole time tq is dropping. If you make 440whp but 360tq at that peak hp but your tq keeps falling but you're making the same 440ish hp you're not accelerating as hard. It's what they feel flat. All the modulars feel flat because of that. They just rev but the pull is gone.
I have no idea about the hemi vs the 428 ****. To many variables and I'm sure the scenario you said wasn't always the case.
If you think they're alot if variables in drag racing stay the **** off a road course. That scenario screams drivers are not comparable. Fact is a z28 readily hands a ss camaro it's *** on a road course as it should. The 1le camaro does very very well at closing that gap.......but it has nothing to do with power. It has to do with chassis dynamics and carrying speed.
To further prove your incompetence on this subject go to a local autox or road course and watch miatas drive the **** away from you with alot less power.
You are trying to give one engine a gearing advantage over another. That's not what we're talking about here. We are talking about power
On that day, track and at that rw with a comparable car there is no doubt hammers engine could do that. Fact is came only ls6 nearly did that.
Lol.....if thought any of the bullshit he said had any value whate so ever you're a bigger idiot than i thought. And that's saying something.
Or me na for that matter
Cause ford needs a supercharger to compeet!
Omg that's the thread title
10-24-2017, 09:07 PM
#216
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Prolly sub 3k RW....but we'll never know.
10-24-2017, 09:41 PM
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