Whipple 3v vs Cam/E85 ZL1
07-19-2018, 08:36 AM
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07-19-2018, 09:53 AM
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07-19-2018, 11:54 AM
#24
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fast car.
i considered 3v heads on my terbo. i put s281 pistons in it just in case. i just couldnt step down to 3v from 4v. there is no reason a mildly modded 3v head cant compeet with any other.
hio you know ZERO about what a 3v can do. you know what a stock 3v can do.
so you know....i used to have a 5.4 3v in this car.
the tune. i was able to run more part throttle timing AND run a 20:1 part throttle air/fuel tune. when i tried to run that tune in the 4v it stumbled and would not run.
at all loads the 3v was more efficient than the 4v. i was able to safely run a leaner tune to max load. there is a limit though. the 3v will burn dangerously lean air/fuels even at high load, say .5-.1.0 (50-100 percent) what that means duggy is, it will actually blow torch the combustion chamber and melt through. that is why early 3vs dropped exhaust valves. inconel is what it takes to handle the temps,
so duggy, the 3v combusion chamber is more efficient and has a wider burn rate than even fast burn swirl port b heads. 3v heads make the same power as b heads with less flow, get better gas mileage and more average torque.
so it stands to reason a modded 3v head will make as much or more power than a equal 4v with forced induction within limits. a 300+cfm 4v owns a fully modded 3v.
07-19-2018, 01:52 PM
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07-19-2018, 04:48 PM
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Slow peeps always turn to tight cones in a parking lot for some reason.
Hmmmmm
Hmmmmm
07-22-2018, 12:28 PM
#31
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Facebook Post
Idk why the link won’t work. It’s on their Facebook page though.
Some or those comments are ridiculous lol
Last edited by Its Stock; 07-22-2018 at 12:50 PM.
07-22-2018, 05:54 PM
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https://www.facebook.com/1320Videos/...6649219317112/
Idk why the link won’t work. It’s on their Facebook page though.
Some or those comments are ridiculous lol
Idk why the link won’t work. It’s on their Facebook page though.
Some or those comments are ridiculous lol
07-22-2018, 07:05 PM
#33
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stock heads my ***. all those heads need to flow 260-270 is a 45 degree relief of the intake valve shrouding. no way you didnt at least do that.
fast car.
i considered 3v heads on my terbo. i put s281 pistons in it just in case. i just couldnt step down to 3v from 4v. there is no reason a mildly modded 3v head cant compeet with any other.
hio you know ZERO about what a 3v can do. you know what a stock 3v can do.
so you know....i used to have a 5.4 3v in this car.
the tune. i was able to run more part throttle timing AND run a 20:1 part throttle air/fuel tune. when i tried to run that tune in the 4v it stumbled and would not run.
at all loads the 3v was more efficient than the 4v. i was able to safely run a leaner tune to max load. there is a limit though. the 3v will burn dangerously lean air/fuels even at high load, say .5-.1.0 (50-100 percent) what that means duggy is, it will actually blow torch the combustion chamber and melt through. that is why early 3vs dropped exhaust valves. inconel is what it takes to handle the temps,
so duggy, the 3v combusion chamber is more efficient and has a wider burn rate than even fast burn swirl port b heads. 3v heads make the same power as b heads with less flow, get better gas mileage and more average torque.
so it stands to reason a modded 3v head will make as much or more power than a equal 4v with forced induction within limits. a 300+cfm 4v owns a fully modded 3v.
fast car.
i considered 3v heads on my terbo. i put s281 pistons in it just in case. i just couldnt step down to 3v from 4v. there is no reason a mildly modded 3v head cant compeet with any other.
hio you know ZERO about what a 3v can do. you know what a stock 3v can do.
so you know....i used to have a 5.4 3v in this car.
the tune. i was able to run more part throttle timing AND run a 20:1 part throttle air/fuel tune. when i tried to run that tune in the 4v it stumbled and would not run.
at all loads the 3v was more efficient than the 4v. i was able to safely run a leaner tune to max load. there is a limit though. the 3v will burn dangerously lean air/fuels even at high load, say .5-.1.0 (50-100 percent) what that means duggy is, it will actually blow torch the combustion chamber and melt through. that is why early 3vs dropped exhaust valves. inconel is what it takes to handle the temps,
so duggy, the 3v combusion chamber is more efficient and has a wider burn rate than even fast burn swirl port b heads. 3v heads make the same power as b heads with less flow, get better gas mileage and more average torque.
so it stands to reason a modded 3v head will make as much or more power than a equal 4v with forced induction within limits. a 300+cfm 4v owns a fully modded 3v.
just like you expect this guy ain't telling the whole story.....i do also.
07-23-2018, 12:24 AM
#34
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Yeahhhhhh lol. The 3v owner and myself were talking about sending it in to them so I did to see what would happen. I honestly can not believe they posted it; as everyone knows they are all mostly LS nut swingers. Our group has gotten a good laugh about it lol
07-23-2018, 06:40 PM
#36
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superhero all motor 1000hp LSx builds fall short against anything with enough boost, to include 1100+rwhp 4 cylinders.
it should be noted that Lane Culver can and does build anything he wants. he builds exotic 7 liter LSx, but for his, and his father's vettes he builds turbocharged 2600 hp LSx.
you continue to qualify modular builds as being somehow a lesser build than a 7 liter lsx.
i use stock heads, stock block, stock cams, and stock crank to flow enough air to make 700rwhp. i have stock drivability. stock gas mileage. even when i put the powerglide in the car, it will drive docile.
that datalog i posted was part throttle for a reason. at 102mph it was spinning the 295/50-15 tires. not bad for a mostly stock, factory EXACTLY 4.6 liter engine.
07-23-2018, 10:10 PM
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They are lesser. But boost can equal anything....even 4cyl like you said. That is the beauty of boost. But it's kinda uninspiring to me. Although a tt c6 ls3 would be one nasty bitch.
Phils c6 has stock like drivability.....like really stock. My camaro does to with it being stock cam. And they've ran 10s with bolt ons. Now turbo them. Both engines has made over 800slb. Thats alot of power. Ls6 has made as much as 954whp sbe....ls3 has been 900+. ...lsa 1200sbe....lt4 1500 crank slb. Easy to make the power with boost. Get a fuel system in place and run a good consistent fuel.
But reliability on any engine will go down at that power and maintenance go up....complexity goes up...harder to work on....fuel dependant and the smaller the engine the more fuel dependent it is.
Phils c6 has stock like drivability.....like really stock. My camaro does to with it being stock cam. And they've ran 10s with bolt ons. Now turbo them. Both engines has made over 800slb. Thats alot of power. Ls6 has made as much as 954whp sbe....ls3 has been 900+. ...lsa 1200sbe....lt4 1500 crank slb. Easy to make the power with boost. Get a fuel system in place and run a good consistent fuel.
But reliability on any engine will go down at that power and maintenance go up....complexity goes up...harder to work on....fuel dependant and the smaller the engine the more fuel dependent it is.
07-24-2018, 09:05 AM
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The added complexity stops alot of people from that. If your a gm guy it's pretty easy to get to 10s na....a furd not so much. Someone like you that just drops their car off at a shop and walks away you probably don't affect much.
Difficulty to work on will stop some to. I've worked on boosted cars. Anything other than a pd blower is a real pita. And even a pd blower is fighting belt slip.
you see you wouldn't know this ****. That's what hapoens when you drop your **** off and don't work on it. Everything works better when it's crisp and new too.
Difficulty to work on will stop some to. I've worked on boosted cars. Anything other than a pd blower is a real pita. And even a pd blower is fighting belt slip.
you see you wouldn't know this ****. That's what hapoens when you drop your **** off and don't work on it. Everything works better when it's crisp and new too.
07-24-2018, 10:00 AM
#40
Belt slip?? Whats that? Stop posting opinions and passing them as facts. Centri kits go on new bros very easily. And come out just the same. HCI swap on an Fbody pobably takes about as long as a procharger install on an S550. If not longer.