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Old 04-30-2019, 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2 View Post
I'm going to work on one at a time - I get many pm's for complaints now that I'm trying to be more active - can only do so much

** My main focus are direct insults and threats - unless I just happen onto something I see out of line - few bans coming I see it

Good. Lot of passive aggressive stang owners here to troll and start trouble.

Originally Posted by kinglt-1 View Post
There are a few guys here really killing this section with the same old repetitive banter. I don't mind a little smack talk but it's the same stuff every day spewing over into every thread.

Btw. Nice kill OP...LS3 Vettes are pretty good.
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2 View Post
Modded no doubt Coyote I meant to say stock SRY

As far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful thatís a given

Itís great they can run 10ís now n/a and 8ís F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
Fastest A10 I can find has a DR and ran [email protected] Fastest with the street tire is [email protected] Fastest stock vette is an [email protected] in mineshaft air

Originally Posted by Chris25 View Post
Stock for stock seems like the 6th gen edges out the new bros just from what I've seen.
From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2 View Post
I challenge that - (straight line)

Grab the fast list for LS2/LS3 C6 off CF post #4

Compare to fastest 2018-2019 5.0 time you can find and I'd bet (no cash) they are within .15 and 1 mph of each other

Wanna bite?
Sure. How we gonna do this? Auto to auto m6 to m6 ? average the best of both? All out fastest stock? Why stip a spread?? Do you have no confidence in this?

But you realize you're talking a 10+ year spread now right? He said 9yr

We gonna use fastest 5br0 model vs slowest vette model? Or you want fastest model of both.......cause that be more fair really.

Or we can bump to a 12yr spread and use the fastest vette vs the fastest 5br0 or fastest mustang in general.

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Ls3 c6 vette runs high 11s stock so does the mustang gt however Doug like to use the bad times as what they do for the mustang and use the hero times for the vette. Oh and we are comparing a vette to a mustang bc that's what is in the video.
Why are you defending a 5br0? Do you own one? You gonna buy one?

Btw.....the a10 5br0 i seen at my track ran a 12.5. Which is actually a tenth faster than phil ran stock with a duff clutch on run flats.



Originally Posted by "MAC" View Post
You also left out rockers and race fuel for that 10.5 @131mph but then Phil ran 10.6 @134mph with heads and cam
Speaks accolades about my bolt on set ups eeh

Rockers are a bolt on and so is race fuel according to the mustang lists . I mean with them adjusting cam timing that seems fair.

No race brakes on phils car, wasn't gutted, no 2 step, basically stick suspension(bilstein replacement shocks, front bar removed and a gs rear spring)
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1 View Post
There are a few guys here really killing this section with the same old repetitive banter. I don't mind a little smack talk but it's the same stuff every day spewing over into every thread.

Btw. Nice kill OP...LS3 Vettes are pretty good.
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Srk Is lame af now . Yall all argue the same **** on every post lolol
This about sums it up, nice kill Mavn
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Originally Posted by Its Stock View Post
should they be?
They never have been.

Originally Posted by Chris25 View Post
You left out the part where he said he could improve on the 60ft and bring the et down.
He always leaves out stuff. The car was tire limited with bolt ons to really get all out of it that was there. Now it's no doubt really tire limited.

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What are fastest times for (2018/2019) A10ís on both SS and GT? A10 is going to be much quicker in both-
Idk.....lots of bs always surrounds the 5br0s. Usually it's shop cars setting the best times for the 5br0s.

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The A10's do but the M6's don't.







A10 isn't any quicker in the 6th gen compared to the A8 in the 1/4 mile. All torx don't need any additional gearing.
Idk about that yet. I think the a10 camaro will edge out the a8 car. But it seems the owners of the camaros don't go after track times with the gusto of the 5br0 crowd.
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Fastest bolt on C6 is an LS2 with a [email protected], fastest 15+ Mustang GT with bolt ons is [email protected] Fastest power adder C6 is also an LS2 with a [email protected], fastest power adder 15+ GT is [email protected] Fastest C6 on that list is a [email protected], fastest S550 I can find is [email protected]

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ustangs.16739/
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...challenge.html
https://www.mustang6g.com/worlds-fas...rst-to-the-7s/
I think we were talking stock

Originally Posted by JayplaySS2 View Post
Modded no doubt Coyote I meant to say stock SRY

As far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful thatís a given

Itís great they can run 10ís now n/a and 8ís F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
These guys throughly rape these 5br0s to get their record times. I'm talking full gutted, $40 gallon fuel with nitro in it, wave brakes.....the best of the best ****. Guys just don't do that with vettes.

Coyote don't shine any more than anything else with boost. The basics still apply. Efficiently double the atmosphere and you nearly double power.

The recent coyote vs ls test proved it has nothing for the ls for boost.
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Originally Posted by JC316 View Post
Fastest A10 I can find has a DR and ran [email protected] Fastest with the street tire is [email protected] Fastest stock vette is an [email protected] in mineshaft air



From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
I mean I'd still say a10 to a10 the Camaro outruns the mustang past the 1/4 that's not a knock on the bros they definitely are no slouch but the 6th gen just performs now throw in boost and things are different mustang is just a beast on boost.
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That's funny. Duhg trying to get so equal on the vette vs stang. How bout just pony car to pony car? Instead of cheby flagship 2dr 2seat sports car to 2dr 4seat pony car..
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver View Post
Coyote don't shine any more than anything else with boost. The basics still apply. Efficiently double the atmosphere and you nearly double power.

The recent coyote vs ls test proved it has nothing for the ls for boost.
I’ll have to search for whatever test your talking about but an 8k rpm, smaller displacement 4 valve motor will always efficientlt spin higher and benefit more from boost.

See if if I can post these from my phone -

I search 8 sec G6 Camaro - notice mods and trap speed
http://www.superchevy.com/features/1...-kind-country/

Then 8 sec 18 Mustang - you don’t even lift a valve cover - old vid it’s proably even quicker (than 161 trap) now (stock engine and trans)

Amazing

I’ll look into whatever comparison you mentioned see what’s up in those details


Before I even research, what would a 18 LT1 put out on 10lbs of boost (rwhp) vs 18 Coyote on 10lbs of boost?

Good info

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Hio please say you’re not talking about the Procharger LS / Coyote test? Send me your data
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I don't want to jinx your new car but the 18 19 bro seems to be hit or miss in terms of engine reliability
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Originally Posted by JC316 View Post
Fastest A10 I can find has a DR and ran [email protected] Fastest with the street tire is [email protected] Fastest stock vette is an [email protected] in mineshaft air



From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
Not true at all on the mustang is faster past the 1/4th I lost count on how many bros I gapped from a dig ,roll and runs past 150 fast I went the worse the gap was for them lol
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2 View Post
Hio please say youíre not talking about the Procharger LS / Coyote test? Send me your data
He's talking about that procharger video.

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Not true at all on the mustang is faster past the 1/4th I lost count on how many bros I gapped from a dig ,roll and runs past 150 fast I went the worse the gap was for them lol
I'm going off from the motor trend head 2 head of the mustang GT and 1LE SS. Camaro won to 60, won to the 1/4 mile, but the GT took it past that.
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Originally Posted by JC316 View Post
He's talking about that procharger video.



I'm going off from the motor trend head 2 head of the mustang GT and 1LE SS. Camaro won to 60, won to the 1/4 mile, but the GT took it past that.
O 6spds are slow carry on lol
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver View Post
You don't even need headers for 11.5 on those cars. We got phils ls3 c6 to go [email protected] w/o headers, on stock front wheels, front bar hooked up and pump gas. [email protected] with headers on a fuel with the launch still needing work. Had a best trap of just over 132. Super easy cars to work on and the ls3 is a great piece.

Ls3 c6 car will just walk all over 5br0s. It's not even a good race if the c6 is right.
ok I had to sign up to ask because thatís tempting. What are we talking here, I assume when you say 11.0 with headers & 10.5 with that nothing disproportionately significant has been changed to achieve these times, so what are we talking tuning or better flowing heads or what? Ls3 Vetteís May be moving up my short-list
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ok I had to sign up to ask because thatís tempting. What are we talking here, I assume when you say 11.0 with headers & 10.5 with that nothing disproportionately significant has been changed to achieve these times, so what are we talking tuning or better flowing heads or what? Ls3 Vetteís May be moving up my short-list
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...t-be-done.html You can get all the details you want from my thread. It is well documented.
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Originally Posted by lazerlemonta View Post
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...t-be-done.html You can get all the details you want from my thread. It is well documented.
thanks, looks like a fun journey. Not sure I was expecting any internals/springs etc to be counted as bolt ons but hey, either way, Iím impressed with what you managed to do with an SUV intake, not quite sure how that works but clearly it does
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Originally Posted by JayplaySS2 View Post
Modded no doubt Coyote I meant to say stock SRY

As far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful thatís a given

Itís great they can run 10ís now n/a and 8ís F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
smaller engine?





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Originally Posted by Fee View Post
smaller engine?
Now you MUST know I was referring to displacement -



Isn't GM going away from push rods on next alpha engine for C8? Thought I read that -

Coyote motors going N/A really need the 103/103 options on intakes and throttle bodies with so much available rpm - IMHO

N/A the LT1 is clear winner - but you need a 150+ trap to be serious these days
(Some of the GPI and Pray cars are trapping what a good H/C C6Z used to trap - though comparing a 3:42 stick shift car to stalled A8 - from a roll above the desired trap speed a C6Z would walk away) - still impressive





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Originally Posted by JC316 View Post
He's talking about that procharger video.
That Coyote made 1300 IIRC?

I guess they should have had PBD build the test mule -




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Idk about that yet. I think the a10 camaro will edge out the a8 car. But it seems the owners of the camaros don't go after track times with the gusto of the 5br0 crowd.

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I have seen a couple on drag packs post track times. They are not doing any better then the A8's which is why you don't hear about them. most don't frequent the forums, Just like the fastest Stock A8 6th gen time is 11.7x @ 119 on Stock tires but it isn't on the fast list... it was posted on FB.
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