Let's start shit . 100% stock 2009 Corvette vs 2018 5.0 with axle back and tune
04-30-2019, 06:48 PM
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Modded no doubt Coyote I meant to say stock 
SRY
As far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful that’s a given
It’s great they can run 10’s now n/a and 8’s F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
SRYAs far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful that’s a given
It’s great they can run 10’s now n/a and 8’s F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
04-30-2019, 06:48 PM
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But you realize you're talking a 10+ year spread now right? He said 9yr
We gonna use fastest 5br0 model vs slowest vette model? Or you want fastest model of both.......cause that be more fair really.
Or we can bump to a 12yr spread and use the fastest vette vs the fastest 5br0 or fastest mustang in general.
Btw.....the a10 5br0 i seen at my track ran a 12.5. Which is actually a tenth faster than phil ran stock with a duff clutch on run flats.
Rockers are a bolt on and so is race fuel according to the mustang lists . I mean with them adjusting cam timing that seems fair.
No race brakes on phils car, wasn't gutted, no 2 step, basically stick suspension(bilstein replacement shocks, front bar removed and a gs rear spring)
04-30-2019, 07:02 PM
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They never have been.
He always leaves out stuff. The car was tire limited with bolt ons to really get all out of it that was there. Now it's no doubt really tire limited.
Idk.....lots of bs always surrounds the 5br0s. Usually it's shop cars setting the best times for the 5br0s.
Idk about that yet. I think the a10 camaro will edge out the a8 car. But it seems the owners of the camaros don't go after track times with the gusto of the 5br0 crowd.
I think we were talking stock
These guys throughly rape these 5br0s to get their record times. I'm talking full gutted, $40 gallon fuel with nitro in it, wave brakes.....the best of the best ****. Guys just don't do that with vettes.
Coyote don't shine any more than anything else with boost. The basics still apply. Efficiently double the atmosphere and you nearly double power.
The recent coyote vs ls test proved it has nothing for the ls for boost.
Fastest bolt on C6 is an LS2 with a 10.626@129, fastest 15+ Mustang GT with bolt ons is 10.361@129. Fastest power adder C6 is also an LS2 with a 9.522@144.7, fastest power adder 15+ GT is 8.906@155.72. Fastest C6 on that list is a 7.98@174, fastest S550 I can find is 7.9@179.
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ustangs.16739/
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...challenge.html
https://www.mustang6g.com/worlds-fas...rst-to-the-7s/
https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ustangs.16739/
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...challenge.html
https://www.mustang6g.com/worlds-fas...rst-to-the-7s/
Modded no doubt Coyote I meant to say stock SRY
As far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful that’s a given
It’s great they can run 10’s now n/a and 8’s F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
SRYAs far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful that’s a given
It’s great they can run 10’s now n/a and 8’s F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
Coyote don't shine any more than anything else with boost. The basics still apply. Efficiently double the atmosphere and you nearly double power.
The recent coyote vs ls test proved it has nothing for the ls for boost.
04-30-2019, 07:05 PM
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Fastest A10 I can find has a DR and ran 11.78@119. Fastest with the street tire is 12.139@117. Fastest stock vette is an 11.71@119.9 in mineshaft air
From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
04-30-2019, 07:15 PM
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That's funny. Duhg trying to get so equal on the vette vs stang. How bout just pony car to pony car? Instead of cheby flagship 2dr 2seat sports car to 2dr 4seat pony car..
04-30-2019, 08:49 PM
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See if if I can post these from my phone -
I search 8 sec G6 Camaro - notice mods and trap speed
http://www.superchevy.com/features/1...-kind-country/
Then 8 sec 18 Mustang - you don’t even lift a valve cover - old vid it’s proably even quicker (than 161 trap) now (stock engine and trans)
Amazing
I’ll look into whatever comparison you mentioned see what’s up in those details
Before I even research, what would a 18 LT1 put out on 10lbs of boost (rwhp) vs 18 Coyote on 10lbs of boost?
Good info
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04-30-2019, 11:49 PM
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Fastest A10 I can find has a DR and ran 11.78@119. Fastest with the street tire is 12.139@117. Fastest stock vette is an 11.71@119.9 in mineshaft air
From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
From what I can tell, the 6th gen wins in the 1/4, but the Mustang wins past that. I drove an M6 2018 Mustang and it felt gutless compared to my 1SS.
05-01-2019, 01:01 AM
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I'm going off from the motor trend head 2 head of the mustang GT and 1LE SS. Camaro won to 60, won to the 1/4 mile, but the GT took it past that.
05-01-2019, 02:02 AM
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You don't even need headers for 11.5 on those cars. We got phils ls3 c6 to go 11.0@126 w/o headers, on stock front wheels, front bar hooked up and pump gas. 10.5@131.6 with headers on a fuel with the launch still needing work. Had a best trap of just over 132. Super easy cars to work on and the ls3 is a great piece.
Ls3 c6 car will just walk all over 5br0s. It's not even a good race if the c6 is right.
Ls3 c6 car will just walk all over 5br0s. It's not even a good race if the c6 is right.
05-01-2019, 06:30 AM
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ok I had to sign up to ask because that’s tempting. What are we talking here, I assume when you say 11.0 with headers & 10.5 with that nothing disproportionately significant has been changed to achieve these times, so what are we talking tuning or better flowing heads or what? Ls3 Vette’s May be moving up my short-list
05-01-2019, 07:51 AM
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https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...t-be-done.html You can get all the details you want from my thread. It is well documented.
05-01-2019, 07:59 AM
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Modded no doubt Coyote I meant to say stock SRY
As far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful that’s a given
It’s great they can run 10’s now n/a and 8’s F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
SRYAs far as A10 Coyote yes a smaller engine has less tq and is traded for additional rpm so little more gear is useful that’s a given
It’s great they can run 10’s now n/a and 8’s F/I - where coyote shines - but they should both (Camaro and Mustang) be very close stock these days. They make each other better - until they stop making Camaro again most likely
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05-01-2019, 08:25 AM
#78
Now you MUST know I was referring to displacement -
Isn't GM going away from push rods on next alpha engine for C8? Thought I read that -
Coyote motors going N/A really need the 103/103 options on intakes and throttle bodies with so much available rpm - IMHO
N/A the LT1 is clear winner - but you need a 150+ trap to be serious these days
(Some of the GPI and Pray cars are trapping what a good H/C C6Z used to trap - though comparing a 3:42 stick shift car to stalled A8 - from a roll above the desired trap speed a C6Z would walk away) - still impressive
*** I deleted BS thread to tidy up section - I'll get another one opened up shortly (trying to keep bosses happy)
Isn't GM going away from push rods on next alpha engine for C8? Thought I read that -
Coyote motors going N/A really need the 103/103 options on intakes and throttle bodies with so much available rpm - IMHO
N/A the LT1 is clear winner - but you need a 150+ trap to be serious these days
(Some of the GPI and Pray cars are trapping what a good H/C C6Z used to trap - though comparing a 3:42 stick shift car to stalled A8 - from a roll above the desired trap speed a C6Z would walk away) - still impressive
*** I deleted BS thread to tidy up section - I'll get another one opened up shortly (trying to keep bosses happy)
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05-01-2019, 08:45 AM
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I have seen a couple on drag packs post track times. They are not doing any better then the A8's which is why you don't hear about them. most don't frequent the forums, Just like the fastest Stock A8 6th gen time is 11.7x @ 119 on Stock tires but it isn't on the fast list... it was posted on FB.
