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Old 03-05-2021, 09:35 AM
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On my way to work this morning a 6th gen camaro SS pulled up and claimed he was stock we did a 40roll up to about 90 and shut it down oddly he hung in pretty close to me about half a car behind me.. My car has a ls6 block, 243 heads, FAST 102, SNS stage 3 cam, Built 4L60e, ls3 injectors, ported oil pump, tsp UD pulley, ls2 timing chain, PTC 3600 stalled auto, Strange rearend and 93 octane tune... Does something seem off here?

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Originally Posted by torqls1
On my way to work this morning a 6th gen camaro SS pulled up and claimed he was stock we did a 40roll up to about 90 and shut it down oddly he hung in pretty close to me about half a car behind me.. My car has a ls6 block, 243 heads, FAST 102, SNS stage 3 cam, ls3 injectors, ported oil pump, tsp UD pulley, ls2 timing chain, PTC 3600 stalled auto and 93 octane tune... Does something seem off here?
superior trans for roll racing. Making similar power. No trac issues. Off the line you would've destroyed him.
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Originally Posted by torqls1
On my way to work this morning a 6th gen camaro SS pulled up and claimed he was stock we did a 40roll up to about 90 and shut it down oddly he hung in pretty close to me about half a car behind me.. My car has a ls6 block, 243 heads, FAST 102, SNS stage 3 cam, Built 4L60e, ls3 injectors, ported oil pump, tsp UD pulley, ls2 timing chain, PTC 3600 stalled auto, Strange rearend and 93 octane tune... Does something seem off here?
yes crazy as it may seem those new 6th gens can roll out both from rolls and at the track!!! my son owned a 2017 M6 SS that went 7.6 on street tires with nothing more than a E85 tune then a couple of his buddies joined us at the track that same day and both A8s on street tires NO tune or Any Mods at all went 7.9 1/8 so with that being said the 2019 and newer A10s are even quicker especially from rolls
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You should be spinning that combo to at least 7000 rpms and a 4000+ stall converter would be more ideal.

Imo your setup should have had a somewhat steady pull the whole race..... multiple car lengths
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I agree with 98.....you should out run a stock 6gen pretty good if all is right with your car. But that was a short pull. Even a minute hit advantage can squash a pull on a 50mph delta.
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My t/a does roll to 7k. Question as to why you say 4k stall over 3600. Another question this is my first auto car ive owned is it better to keep it in drive and let it do the shifting for you or manually shift the a4 reason i ask is because if im doing rolls if i manually drop it car is already above the 3600 stall so it hits instantly
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Car runs strong as hell but when i bought the car it had a speed density race fuel tune which they had to install Hi flow cats to sell it to me which required a new tune and i just did a 93. Wonder if shop did a **** *** job on the new tune
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I think you should beat a stock 6th gen pretty easy with that combo. They are low 12second 116-117mph cars. However if he was already in gear and you kicked down, then he got a hit which would make the run seem closer then what it should of been.

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Originally Posted by torqls1
My t/a does roll to 7k. Question as to why you say 4k stall over 3600. Another question this is my first auto car ive owned is it better to keep it in drive and let it do the shifting for you or manually shift the a4 reason i ask is because if im doing rolls if i manually drop it car is already above the 3600 stall so it hits instantly
A higher stall will help a lot with your shift extensions. I would guess your setup peaks around 66-6700 rpms.

Imo if you want absolute ideal performance I would recommend a PT 4400 converter. I run a similar setup, a bit more aggressive all around, and the Pt4400 is a roll monster.

Here is a clip of mine. I spin it to 7200 and you can see how nice the shift extensions are, only dropping to around 63-6400 rpms keeping me in my power band constantly with my setup peaking around 68-6900 rpms.

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A higher stall will help a lot with your shift extensions. I would guess your setup peaks around 66-6700 rpms.

Imo if you want absolute ideal performance I would recommend a PT 4400 converter. I run a similar setup, a bit more aggressive all around, and the Pt4400 is a roll monster.

Here is a clip of mine. I spin it to 7200 and you can see how nice the shift extensions are, only dropping to around 63-6400 rpms keeping me in my power band constantly with my setup peaking around 68-6900 rpms.

https://youtu.be/7cYawJ2AIXQ
Are you manually shifting the a4 or just keeping it in drive?
I just feel like if im on the highway and someone pulls up on me cruising at 60mph if i hit it the car is already in OD so it has to drop which is like a 2-3sec lag time then it hits hard, Should i manually drop to 2nd gear and just shift it myself or would a larger stall fix this?
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Originally Posted by torqls1
Are you manually shifting the a4 or just keeping it in drive?
I just feel like if im on the highway and someone pulls up on me cruising at 60mph if i hit it the car is already in OD so it has to drop which is like a 2-3sec lag time then it hits hard, Should i manually drop to 2nd gear and just shift it myself or would a larger stall fix this?
I manually drop it down but speed match the rpms. So if you think it's going to jump to 4000 rpms on the manual downshift, give it more gas as you're downshifting.
Then the second I go wot I bump it up a gear and let the transmission shift on its own.

Just be careful and try not to do a ton of higher rpm 2-1 manuel downshift for its very hard on the low roller sprag which is only engaged in 1st gear.
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
I manually drop it down but speed match the rpms. So if you think it's going to jump to 4000 rpms on the manual downshift, give it more gas as you're downshifting.
Then the second I go wot I bump it up a gear and let the transmission shift on its own.

Just be careful and try not to do a ton of higher rpm 2-1 manuel downshift for its very hard on the low roller sprag which is only engaged in 1st gear.
How does one ''rev match'' in an auto?
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Originally Posted by torqls1
How does one ''rev match'' in an auto?
As you are pulling the shift lever down into second, give it more gas to approximately where you think it would be.

So say you think you're going to be at 5000 rpms after the manuel downshift, give it more gas at the same time to bring the motor rpms up to match.
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I got my *** handed to me by a brand new lt1 6th gen...still with window registration sticker and dealer plates. My mods are
Ls6 top end (hand ported heads)
summit 8715 cam
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Full exhaust
stock tc
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Like to see one try that with me..
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my 4th gen **** all over a 6th gen ss and he had a head start.


by 100 it was way over.


this was him.
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WTF is wrong with my car then??? We are under sea level if that has anything to do with it.
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WTF is wrong with my car then??? We are under sea level if that has anything to do with it.
The 6th gens are no joke even stock, and they're particularly nasty around that 30-40mph range. Probably just a bad roll speed for you and the sweet spot for him.
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Everyone is saying you should have easily walked him but I disagree, they have gone 11s stock so they are not slow by any stretch of the imagination. From a roll I could easily see one staying with you, from a dig you'd probably jump out pretty far and stay there.
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you sure it wasnt a zl1?


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