FastMover

The new Neon looks very impressive. It will likely have traction issues taking off from a standstill. I am curious how bad the torque steer will be? Should be a good little pocket rocket. It should help the domestic small car market compete with the imports.

Jim

VTStang

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by WSlow6:
<strong> Since all SRT-4s are going to be manual they might be able to get a jump on the LS1 at highway speed. I don't see the LS1 losing to one over any appreciable distance. I think the SRT-4 is going to make a lot of Mustang owners cry though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Not us Mustang Owners that know how to properly modify a Mustang. I can assure you my car will not lose to any Neon SRT-4.

glhs379

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Doesn't take too much to make a mustang owner cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Mustang owners will have to put on a ton of mods just to keep from getting walked by a stock neon turbo 4 cylinder.

Those srt-4's have very very small turbos on them. The down side to them is that the turbo is all one piece with the exhaust manifold. So to upgrade the turbo you will have to put on a new manifold. But with a bigger turbo, even at factory boost levels, they should be good for around 300 horse. Heck, sport compact got one to dyno 215-220 hp at the wheels and around 245-250 on the torque, and they only weigh 2800lbs or so.


The sad part is that is about what a new Mustang GT dynos. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

RamAir02TA

yea I think us a4 Drivers could take them...

JealouZ

I'm glad dodge is making a fun car with potential to be fast even though I don't care much for fwd cars, they are also making a srt ram with a 500 horse viper engine now that is what I will be worried about!!
I'm not a dodge fan but at least they have the ***** to make cars and trucks like that. GM's answer to the neon is what a cavalier with performance parts availible from GM wow <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> There answer to the srt ram is the ss silverado awd 345 horse tank

VTStang

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by glhs379:
<strong> Doesn't take too much to make a mustang owner cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Mustang owners will have to put on a ton of mods just to keep from getting walked by a stock neon turbo 4 cylinder.

Those srt-4's have very very small turbos on them. The down side to them is that the turbo is all one piece with the exhaust manifold. So to upgrade the turbo you will have to put on a new manifold. But with a bigger turbo, even at factory boost levels, they should be good for around 300 horse. Heck, sport compact got one to dyno 215-220 hp at the wheels and around 245-250 on the torque, and they only weigh 2800lbs or so.


The sad part is that is about what a new Mustang GT dynos. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who is crying?? I was just sticking up for my Mustang. And by the way I have an older modded 5.0, and I can guarantee that a SRT-4 Neon won't come close to my car.

One more question for you since you like to talk trash about Mustang owners:

What does the new 2003 Camaro or Trans Am dyno??

Just curious buddy. Don't think that your smart *** comments go unrecognized.

deviate42

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unit213

Are we really discussing the capabilities of a Neon? Someone pinch me. I think I'm having a bad dream.

RamAir02TA

Their isnt a 2003 Camaro/Trans Am heh...

sleek silverado

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I have a t56 01 SS. So at a 60 roll, it is a champ. I would think that the autos should not have a problem. It is a NEON. I have never been scared of one yet!

2000LS1Z28

Not every factory stock LS1 automatic traps @ 104+. I've seen plenty barely hit 101-102(and that was with normal elevation). Just depends upon weather, vehicle weight(vert?), gearing, track prep, etc... And some F-bods just flat out run better than others(stock for stock).

It would probably be a close race on the highway. But who cares?! Just keep modifying your LS1's and this will never be a problem.

Mike

RPM WS6

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by camaro_ls1:
<strong> Are we really discussing the capabilities of a Neon? Someone pinch me. I think I'm having a bad dream. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL!! <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
I know exactly what you mean! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> What has the world come to!?!? Firebird and Camaro are dead, and Neons are running low 14s stock. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I think it's time for me to medicate myself now... <img border="0" alt="[chug]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_chug.gif" />

RPM WS6

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by glhs379:
<strong> Doesn't take too much to make a mustang owner cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Doesn't take much to make a 302 fast either. I've encountered plenty of them.

Pro Stock John

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14.0@102 is that magazine testing? Then I think someone will hit like 13.7 just driving it harder.

Still no problem, our M6 cars trap like 105-107mph stock. Our A4 cars do like 103-106mph stock.

I think Mustang folks should be worried but not us.

Venkman

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by camaro_ls1:
<strong> Are we really discussing the capabilities of a Neon? Someone pinch me. I think I'm having a bad dream. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">i second this

VTStang

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RPM WS6:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by glhs379:
<strong> Doesn't take too much to make a mustang owner cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Doesn't take much to make a 302 fast either. I've encountered plenty of them. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you RPM WS6.

RPM WS6

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by VTStang:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by RPM WS6:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by glhs379:
<strong> Doesn't take too much to make a mustang owner cry <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Doesn't take much to make a 302 fast either. I've encountered plenty of them. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you RPM WS6. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

I gotta give credit to a lot of 5.0 owners that I've met over the years. I've seen some pretty impresive numbers from their cars.

I've got a neighbor with a couple of pretty heavily modded Fox cars ('93 Cobra and a '91 LX Hatch, both mint condition as well) and I find both of those cars to be impressivly built, quick, and just damn nice looking American Muscle. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

unit213

There's no question about it. Some of the old 5.0's looked badass and they could move! Then again, there were some that were absolute turds!

LS1LT1

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I had two 5.0 (and one early 4.6 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> ) Mustangs and I liked them both, quite quick back in their day. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

I really like the new SRT-4 as well, I think it's a great idea and should steal some sales away from the import nameplates hopefully. I heard a magazine (Mopar Mag I think) already got a 13.7 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> out of one as well. <img border="0" alt="[burn out]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_burnout.gif" />

Hybrid Slow

WOW, thanks for the entertainment guys... I actually haven't stopped laughing at some of you since I first clicked on this thread yesterday! <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />

<img border="0" alt="[gruffy cottonball]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_gruffy.gif" />
Even GRUFFY is laughing!!