NeoPaladin

Naturally. And of course I'd have to throw in a 3rd gen Camaro Z28 in there. 350 swap with a six-speed tranny. Those cars just look hot.

I hope I'm not forgetting anything. IMHO sports cars from the 80's are the coolest of all. Everyone was finally starting to make high hp engines again, suspension design was coming into the modern age, braking systems were as well, and computer controlled fuel injection was the hot thing. Those cars were so advanced for their time it's awesome to look back on it now.

MillaTK

nice... my dad has a 924S... however, I thought that the 944's had DOHC engines, while the 924 was SOHC... Thats what my father thought anyway, and I never really looked into it... Still pretty cool cars. Be cool with a sbc, haha...

Hoss Ghoul

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Thanks man, the 924S and 944 have SOHC engines...the 944S has the 16 Valve DOHC engine. The 944 Turbo also uses the SOHC 8 Valve head.

avitet

some 2.5 gm pushrod baby made in the neighbor hood of 400+ hp but that was in circle tark awhile ago then i think they had to drop compression and numbers came down alot but its possible look up super dukes

TNMuscle

it doesn't matter, they think that those little coffee can mufflers sound good, its gotten to their heads.

300bhp/ton

I know you're only 15 and I know what you are trying to say. But don't be too stereo typical. 4 cylinder engines are great and in many cases will outperform larger engined cars. Plus they may sound different, but that doesn't mean bad. It's a bit like shouting up and down stating chocolate ice cream tastes better than strawberry.

300bhp from them n/a is rare. 30 years ago 240bhp was duable from 2.0 litres but it was a race engine. Modern technology now allows the same capcity produce the same numbers and be reliable.

The likes of the Mk1 and MK2 Ford Escort dominated the rally scene for over a decade. And even today the FASTEST car in the world renown Tour of Mull, is a MK2 Escort. This is a non FIA sanctioned event and cars of all types enter, including non restriced WRC cars pushing stupid levels of horse power.


The Caterham recently was BANNED from the Nurburgring 24 hours because it was so fast beating much more expensive cars with LARGE multicylinder engines.

brad8266

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I personally saw a S2000 on a dynojet dyno, got 199, and then 200 to the wheels thye second pull, the owner even told me how damn slow the car is and how much he hated it, lol.

Red Cell

on Pump Gas? 300hp 4 cyl
I dont think its possible.

lol

BLKWS.6

300hp on pump gas is VERY possible with a well set-up NA 4-cylinder. Very expensive, but very possible as well. Like i said, an S2K with only the stroker kit will make 250ish at the tires. That is very close to 300flywheel. Also, my cousin raced dirt track for about 10-12 years, using a ford 2.3L engine at ( He ran them at around 8-9K for thirty minutes at a time stop/go, gas,brake, and only lost 2 engines in 10 years after he got the build combination down.). His cars were desk-top(yeah, i know i know, not the best for accuracy) dynoed to put 220 to the tires.His best lap time was around 18.XX seconds around a 1/4 mile dirt track as I recall. Keep in mind, he did not tell them a LOT he had done to his car(old street/drag racer). I have heard his cars, they dont sound as mean as if it was a V8 all built up, but if he had one of those motors in a stockish looking mustang running dumps, i bet you would be more than a little wary of it at a stop light (no, it wouldnt beat an ls1....put away the torches).

300bhp/ton

Don't see that personally. They only have 240bhp STOCK from 2.0 litres.

120bhp/litre is quite highly tuned. Even the Race cars used in the lowest level BTCC class only get 270bhp out of the same 2.0 litre block. Stroking the engine will probably help low rpm torque but it probably woun't like the high rpms as much.

It's not impossible. But anyone who is claiming 250rwhp from a S2000 is either BS'ing or mis-informed. Just like the article posted already in this thread. As no where does it mention HP at the wheels. And ALL manufacture claimed BHP readings are ALWAYS at the flywheel.

BrandonDrecksage

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I don't knwo why this si still being argued. everyone who doubts that you can get 300hp out of a n/a 4cyl..go pick up the latest sport compact car mag..they did a built up and got a lil over that. you take a k24 bottom end...a k20 head...an agressive cam and soem forget pistoms. a stand alone cpu and a good tuen and rev that ****** to 10k.

300bhp/ton

yeah,but what grade fuel??

And a 10k red line is NOT streetable in even the remotest sense. There are even those that claim the Honda 2.0 from the S2000 is not really very streetable as it does pretty much bugger all below 6500rpm. And then still not a great deal until near 8000rpm.

And BTW I haven't disagreeded that it's not possible. Just not likely from a 2.0 and still retain anything that would be needed in a road going machine.

BLKWS.6

http://www.bulletproofautomotive.com...ail.php?ID=138

THis 2.3L kit makes 280hp(flywheel) according to the manufacturer and there are 2.5L kits available but there was no hp claim.

http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/f...00/index1.html

This article includes a mention of a 305whp 2.4L stroker.

So yes, the stroked S2000 is in the hunt for the 300whp range. I priced the stroker kits and they run around 2-5K, depending on the kit.

BrandonDrecksage

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they made 304 on 93 octane I believe and 320ish on race fuel...i believe. and just cause your revving to 10k...doesn't make it not streetable...people are taking the stock internals to 8.5-9k...why can't they take forged internals higher?. and like this thread was started for..is it possible..and it is..I don't know why people are startign to argue over it.

also..its not the b serise or fc series motors that are gonna do it easily...its the k series motors with the 2.4 ltr bottom end. oh..and i just relook at the article..and they used a k20 bottom end...so i bet with the k24 bottom end..it would be much more "streetable" sicne that is your worry.

BLKWS.6

THe S2000 I rode in was quite streetable...very peppy, actually, for what it was.

300bhp/ton

It's not the case of being able to take it higher, it's the fact that the operating rpm will remain the same. For example if a stock 240bhp unit only really makes power from 6500-9000rpm. If you then increase the high end by 1000rpm you'll most likely loose it off the bottom. So your new power range will be 7500-10,000rpm.

Are you seriously trying to say a 5 speed car weighing in at about 1200+kg is going to be easy to drive and have accessable performance even though it's probably producing next to no bhp/lb ft below 5000rpm at all. In town you'd have to just use 1st and 2nd gears only else you'd always be out of the power band in any higher gear.

BLKWS.6

Again, yes, the S2K is a dog down low, but its far from unstreetable.

300bhp/ton

I guess streetability is a metter of personal opinion.

Although many have claimed the S2000 to be a great and one of the best sports cars on the market today. And infact it recently topped the Top Gear survey.

But in the past it has been slated for 2 issues. And funnily enough only ever 2 issues.

1. Was the lack of low down grunt, which means you have to ring it's neck ALL of the time.

2. It's on the limit handling is a little twitchy and it can bite HARD.

Now because you have to drive it so hard, it is very easy to then find the on limit handling. It has also been commented that it makes it a tyring car to drive fast, because it requires 110% concentration all the time. Also these to factors make it harder to drive fast in difficult situations.

There was once a porperly staged race (I think it was Silverston national circuit, but I'd need to check to make sure). It was VERY VERY wet and raining hard. Jason Plato ex BTCC champion was driving a Honda S2000. It was up against a Honda Civic Type-R. The weigh about the same only the Civic is FWD. And it's engine (the same 2.0 litre as the S2000) is tuned to produce 197bhp. So it has a 'wider' spread of power.

Off the start line and along the straights the S2000 was ahead. But in the bends it was too twitchy and had a lack of low end power in the slower turns. In short it lost by about 2 car lenghts to the Civic on a one lap race.

The moral - Having the most power does not mean you are the fastest. Having the most deployable and usable power often does.

N.B. I think some of the handling issues where resolved in latter examples of the S2000.

BrandonDrecksage

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of course your not really gonna have a lot of power down low, but its gonna be driveable..you just won't be fast than a kia till you hit 6k...lol I doubt it would have less than 100hp at the wheel between 1k-6k. How mcuh does a 100flywheel hp crx putm down to the ground? but peopel still drive them around fine.

BLKWS.6

technically the stroker kit for the S2K would make it BETTER down low while still benefiting top end performance.