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Old 11-20-2005, 05:27 PM
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Hey everyone... one of my rich friends, well his dad got a 99 f355 with the f1 tranny. He said he would run me after he got it serviced. MY car has gone a best of 12.92 @ 109 in the 1/4.... Do you think I have enough to beat him?
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Not sure man. What is the base hp of his car, plus his weight? Hate to say this but just to get an idea, look at magazine 1/4 stats. If everyone of them says it is faster than 12.9 (and I mean by a half second or more) It is his. If the fella can't drive his new toy............ I say who cares though. Just race him. That way you can say you did. But HP to weight ratio's are the best way to forecast. Good luck
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No, can't really screw up shifting with paddles. The faster you go the more he'll pull away.
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from a stop, yes
from a roll , yes

355s are awesome track cars but just dont have the power for drag racing.
I was door to door with my dads 360 f1 spider with lid and catback.

with 109 trap speed, you should be fine
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he has a good point.
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I just looked it up and it should run a very high 12/low 13 so you're closer than I thought. Drive the **** out of your car and you just might take him .
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You might be able to beat him, it will come down to who is the better driver.
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Yeah.. its a f1 so, I guess that is in his advantage... cause he cant miss shifts... I thinking its gonna be really close... It will be fun to find out! It would be fun to beat him though cause hes my friends dad.. And is a big car guy and then he could see what the ls1 could do!
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I ran a GTO with a 109mph trap speed and ended up neck and neck b/c he fudged one of his shifts a litte. 70 to 95 mph, i think i posted that run. Anywho, if my 5.0 can keep up with a 109mph trapping car, i doubt you will touch a F355 from a roll, sorry. I jsut dont see my car being a contender with that.
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No I dont think you will win....

The F355 may have averaged high 12's to low 13's from all the old mid 90's magazines....But that dose not tell you the hole story....

Back in the early and mid 90's the guys didnt try to get the most out of cars like they do nowadays...

Back in 1997 and 1998 they said that a mn6 C5 could only run 13.3-13.5 and the camaro could only run 13.6-13.8....

WE know that these are bone stock high 12 low 13 cars on a 60 degree night with low humidity close to sea level...

Back then they just didnt try as hard to publish the best numbers possible for vehicles....

Now a days though...They'll have you beleaving that the 2005 sti can run 13.0 in the 1/4 mile....

Of course if you look at ther 30 mph time of 1.3 seconds you'll know why they could get that 13.0 1/4 mile time....


HOW MANY STOCK STI'S HAVE YOU SEEN GET 1.3 60 FTS....OR EVEN 1.6 BONE STOCK?

The average you'll see bone stock is 1.8..Wich will end up being a mid to high 13 second 1/4..

No were near the 1.3 60 ft (0-30 mph) and 13.0

These days it's just wayyyyyy more competitive so they try to give you the quickest numbers possible...

I think that if they tested a f355 by todays standards it would run a 12.7.

Your best is a 12.9....Wich means you usualy run 13.0-13.2 at 107-109 mph


The F355 SHOULD be able to pull 12.9 every time....And from what ive read there very easy to launch well.

ATCHOTS.......iT WOULD BE AWESOME IF YOU REALLY TOOK HIM OUT...tHEY STILL RETAIL FOR AROUND 80 GRAND.
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I read somewhere about a special launch feature on the F1 gearbox. For normal drivers the gearbox does not take off in an 'aggressive' way but if you push buttons with the right combination it will allow you to launch the car at like 4k rpms or something like that. Only a select few know the actual combination but it was supposed to significantly reduce 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. I thought it was on the ferarris but I could be wrong. Just some food for thought.
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If you can get your car to hook, you might get him on the hole shot. Most of those Ferraris are top end monsters though, so I wouldn't try racing him from a roll(especially at 80+mph).
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just race him and make a video!!!!!!!
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I know what you mean Rollina. On my mustang if i blink my lights twice, shift into 4th,1st,reverse, and back to first while at the light, It advances my timing, and changes my rocker arm ratio to allow more lift. Takes about .3-4 off of my ET.


Seriously though, I think most of those kinds of "if you do this then it will delete the limiter, etc. etc. etc." is a bunch of BS.
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Originally Posted by Stanger88
I know what you mean Rollina. On my mustang if i blink my lights twice, shift into 4th,1st,reverse, and back to first while at the light, It advances my timing, and changes my rocker arm ratio to allow more lift. Takes about .3-4 off of my ET.


Seriously though, I think most of those kinds of "if you do this then it will delete the limiter, etc. etc. etc." is a bunch of BS.
Shame on you!!!!!!

It's true, at least with the BMW M5/6 and the F430. They have very sophisticated ECU systems and gearboxes along with multiple selction traction control systems.

Not sure that the F355 has any additional options as it was one of the first with this gearbox, but it makes sense to be able to build the revs higher when launching, a bit like a high stall for an auto.

BS it most certainly isn't.

This is the steering wheel from the F430, see the 5 way selector switch on the right hand spoke, that's just the controls for the TC system, there are additional controls on the centre consul for the gearbox.
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I understand that you can raise the limits, but I just kindof doubt its a "combination secret that only the select know about..."
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Your thinking of the review that a mag did on the F430 vrs the GT...

They were able to significantly reduce the ET by the ITALION driver know some secret code that got the nubers a lot closer to the GT...BUT STILL NOT ENOUGH.....

But I dont think theres any such code for the F355..

I just got back from drag times and saw that someone got a stock one to do 13.0 at 112 mph....

So it's gonna be close.....Im surprised they only got 13.0 from 112 mph...

112 mph id good for 12.7's easy.....Must have a pretty week launch..

GOOD LUCK
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Originally Posted by 2.73 Vette
Your thinking of the review that a mag did on the F430 vrs the GT...

They were able to significantly reduce the ET by the ITALION driver know some secret code that got the nubers a lot closer to the GT...BUT STILL NOT ENOUGH.....

But I dont think theres any such code for the F355..

I just got back from drag times and saw that someone got a stock one to do 13.0 at 112 mph....

So it's gonna be close.....Im surprised they only got 13.0 from 112 mph...

112 mph id good for 12.7's easy.....Must have a pretty week launch..

GOOD LUCK
Also something worth noting for non US cars. Is a lot of the performance times (espeically any stats that are 10 years or so or older) where done by timing machines and would often have included a degree of reaction time.

The 1/4 mile ET and that is pretty meaningless in Europe - basically very few care. But it means it will often be done by a 3 - 2 - 1 - GO! count down in which the stop watch will start then the driver will go. We are of course only talking a few tenths of a second to o half a second, but it is worth noting.

So some of the claims from early 90's or 80's supercars are probably out by 0.4-0.5 of a second.
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ill try again and say the way your car is setup, it should take the 355, if the drivers are equal.

355's are dynoing under 275whp with nothing torque. The cars are awesome, I have driven one myself with custom headers and tubi catback exhaust that sounded insane. Probably the best sounding v8 ive heard in person. But the fact is you cant get a lot of power with a 3.5L v8 or any torque.

the US spec cars, even today with the F430, do not come with launch control. The F1 gearbox is very hard to launch off the line as you usually bog. I have tried it in a f1 360 where they say you mash the gas twice for a "manual" launch control. One blip gets the revs where the computer holds the engine a 4100rpm, the other disengages the clutch. the tires went up on smoke, or we bogged every time we tried it.

A 2.0 sixty on the street would be fine for the win in this case. I dont mean to make you over confident, you are racing a sexy, fast car good luck
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Originally Posted by Fr33styL3
ill try again and say the way your car is setup, it should take the 355, if the drivers are equal.

355's are dynoing under 275whp with nothing torque. The cars are awesome, I have driven one myself with custom headers and tubi catback exhaust that sounded insane. Probably the best sounding v8 ive heard in person. But the fact is you cant get a lot of power with a 3.5L v8 or any torque.

the US spec cars, even today with the F430, do not come with launch control. The F1 gearbox is very hard to launch off the line as you usually bog. I have tried it in a f1 360 where they say you mash the gas twice for a "manual" launch control. One blip gets the revs where the computer holds the engine a 4100rpm, the other disengages the clutch. the tires went up on smoke, or we bogged every time we tried it.

A 2.0 sixty on the street would be fine for the win in this case. I dont mean to make you over confident, you are racing a sexy, fast car good luck
The f355's come with 375 hp at the motor so I doubt they're going to lose a 100 hp through the drivetrain. I doubt they have much loss since the F1 tranny actually uses a clutch, not a torque converter. Also, the ferrari is geared much lower than the f-bod. I think that if he drove his car flawlessly he might edge the ferrari out but it all comes down to the driver and who knows how many times he can repeat his best run.


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