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Old 09-16-2006, 12:59 PM
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My 04 GTO M6 is stock except for exhaust... I was in a left turn lane to jump on the freeway when a brand new nice lookin white Mustang GT goes by, and stops at the light to go straight. My buddy thats with me asks me if my GTO can beat the Mustang. I said "it sure should be able to, lets find out haha". I pull 2 lanes to the right and pull right next to him at the light. The Mustang guy had a buddy behind him in a black Prelude and the Prelude guy was flashing him his brights (im assuming to say go for it?) So I look at him and he looks over at me, the light turns green, and neither of us punch it...we just take of normal and get up to about 10 MPH, then wahlah we both nail it. Im in first gear and I assume his was an automatic. Through my first gear it was fairly even, i pulled him by about 4 feet. I was thinking that when I shifted to second he might get even, but nope, I hit second and pulled him hard and got to like a foot in front of him when we both had to slow down for a red light. I was happy with my GTO, cuz I was pullin him hard and it was just gonna get worse for him. Thats my first race and it was fun.
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Nice kill.
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You actually did pretty well considering where you were racing from and to...those particular Mustangs are geared very well down low (Mach 1s are a similar story)...sure gets them moving fast. Sounds like fun...I haven't had a race in a LONG time
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Yeah I was stunned at first, we were head to head the first couple seconds, and I had thought, Im racing a 300 HP Mustang it shouldn't be even close...but like I said when I hit second I pulled pretty hard. Thanks:-)
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
You actually did pretty well considering where you were racing from and to...those particular Mustangs are geared very well down low (Mach 1s are a similar story)...sure gets them moving fast. Sounds like fun...I haven't had a race in a LONG time
You know, I found a road test between a new 04 GTO vs a new 04 Mach 1 and the Mach 1 was faster in the quarter 13.51Mach1-13.52GTO
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Originally Posted by 88MONTESS
Yeah I was stunned at first, we were head to head the first couple seconds, and I had thought, Im racing a 300 HP Mustang it shouldn't be even close...but like I said when I hit second I pulled pretty hard. Thanks:-)
With your exhaust, you are making around the neighborhood of 300 rwhp and the Mustang, if a stock automatic, is making around 260 rwhp.
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Originally Posted by 88MONTESS
You know, I found a road test between a new 04 GTO vs a new 04 Mach 1 and the Mach 1 was faster in the quarter 13.51Mach1-13.52GTO
There have been a couple stock machs in the 12's too. A 13.51 is about right for your average driver. Nice kill and your GTO looks amazing nice color. I dont know about the GT's but the Machs have 3.55's so there geared fairly well.

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That 10mph roll on made the difference...look at the trap speeds on the new mustangs... The faster you go the worse it gets for them.
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Thanks I like the color too! Nice Camaro! So the 10 mph roll...was that an advantage for me or him?
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I had a Highway run with a new GT.
Lets just say, he lost to the stall

Good Run!
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
You actually did pretty well considering where you were racing from and to...those particular Mustangs are geared very well down low (Mach 1s are a similar story)...sure gets them moving fast. Sounds like fun...I haven't had a race in a LONG time

I agree.



Nice camaro too.!
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Originally Posted by 67maro
There have been a couple stock machs in the 12's too.
Do you have any references for this? I've seen it claimed in the past and I've searched and aksed on several Mustang boards and so far Ive never seen anything better than very low 13's. I'm not calling BS or anything, but I am really interested and would love to see a magazine article or some other form of reputable proof of a stock Mach 1 running 12's. Cheers
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I believe the BEST Evan Smith got from one was like 13.1 or 13.2.. the car did go 12s with DRs I believe. Ive never seen a verified 12 second pass from a mach 1. Doesn't mean its not possible... but I would need to see some kind of proof to believe it after seen what Evan did with one.
Here are some mag times... and the Evan Smith pass....

Evan Smith--MM/FF Mar03 (NJ) Gray-- 5spd--- 2.07, 13.135 @ 105.51 * Stock
Paul Svinicki--5.0/SF Apr03 (MI) Black- 5spd--- n / a, 13.29_ @ 105.13 O Shifter
Jack Keebler----M/T Dec02 (n/a) Red-- 5spd--- n / a, 13.80_ @ 102.5_ * Stock
Tom Wilson--5.0/SF Apr03 (NV) Yellow 5spd--- n / a, 13.82_ @ 101.01 * Stock
Steve Turner-5.0/SF Apr03 (NV) Red-- Auto---- n / a, 14.29_ @ 98.42 * Stock
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Originally Posted by 88MONTESS
Thanks I like the color too! Nice Camaro! So the 10 mph roll...was that an advantage for me or him?
Advantage to you...

The GTO is tough to launch compared to a stang. Especially the new ones..they seem to cut sub 2.0 60fts without much trouble.
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so i take it your enjoying the new whip..


nice kill.

nice car.
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton



Do you have any references for this? I've seen it claimed in the past and I've searched and aksed on several Mustang boards and so far Ive never seen anything better than very low 13's. I'm not calling BS or anything, but I am really interested and would love to see a magazine article or some other form of reputable proof of a stock Mach 1 running 12's. Cheers
Paul from pauls high performance in jackson ran a 12.9 at 107 at Milan.
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
I believe the BEST Evan Smith got from one was like 13.1 or 13.2.. the car did go 12s with DRs I believe. Ive never seen a verified 12 second pass from a mach 1. Doesn't mean its not possible... but I would need to see some kind of proof to believe it after seen what Evan did with one.
Here are some mag times... and the Evan Smith pass....

Evan Smith--MM/FF Mar03 (NJ) Gray-- 5spd--- 2.07, 13.135 @ 105.51 * Stock
Paul Svinicki--5.0/SF Apr03 (MI) Black- 5spd--- n / a, 13.29_ @ 105.13 O Shifter
Jack Keebler----M/T Dec02 (n/a) Red-- 5spd--- n / a, 13.80_ @ 102.5_ * Stock
Tom Wilson--5.0/SF Apr03 (NV) Yellow 5spd--- n / a, 13.82_ @ 101.01 * Stock
Steve Turner-5.0/SF Apr03 (NV) Red-- Auto---- n / a, 14.29_ @ 98.42 * Stock
Yeah that's pretty much what I've seen before, 13.1 although I think someone over at SVTPerformance had a slip for a 13.0

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Paul from pauls high performance in jackson ran a 12.9 at 107 at Milan.
Was that TOTALLY facotry stock?

If so cool
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Was that TOTALLY facotry stock?

Somehow i doubt it. Even a sub 13.5 is beyond what id expect as the norm for a mach.
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Originally Posted by SSickLS1
Was that TOTALLY facotry stock?

Somehow i doubt it. Even a sub 13.5 is beyond what id expect as the norm for a mach.
Yep he also managed a 13.8 out of an auto. Its been said before but Paul could get 14's out of a yugo. He can drive his *** off. Hes one of the most respected tuneres in the Midwest for stangs as well.
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yea those mustang gt's are quite torquey down low due to the gearing. i was just at island dragway and i swear every single new gt, whether it was stock or modified, chirped HARD into second.


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