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Old 01-17-2007, 05:33 PM
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The car has a non after-cooled vortech v2-sq 8psi ,magnaflow catted xpipe and magna flow catback,3.73's and a mgw shifter it made 361rwhp on a safe tune 360rwtq.The car needs to be after cooled but he has other places to put his money first.Shane has a quick car and is a damn good driver from what ive seen.The only time 12psi has been associated with this car was when he had a low tire thats it no lie whoever told shane it was running 12psi is full of it.
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wow, thats awesome I know Horsepower TV put a s/c , along with new mufflers on a new GT and got like 360 rwhp. I wasn't impressed. I told my brother that day that I bet a F-body with a few bolt ons would run one. Guess I was right

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Old 01-17-2007, 06:00 PM
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Nice kill!

I'm trying to get a race lined up with a guy with a blown gt that lives near me. It won't happen till my car comes out of hibernation in a few months but hopefully the outcome is the same, however from what I hear about the car its unlikely.
Old 01-17-2007, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JimsWS6
wow, thats awesome I know Horsepower TV put a s/c , along with new mufflers on a new GT and got like 360 rwhp. I wasn't impressed. I told my brother that day that I bet a F-body with a few bolt ons would run one. Guess I was right
yeah horsepower tv is a joke the new gt with a s/c at 8psi should easily make 400 this car will make 380-390 but still any bolt on ls1 is a badass car in my book.I would love to have one just cant afford to do it at this time.
Old 01-17-2007, 06:39 PM
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My buddy has a 02 with a procharger running 9psi with a 2 core cooler. the only other mod is a flowmaster cat back. With slicks he has run a best time of 12.18 @ 114. Props to the LS1. Great run. Bet my 02 SS would be bad with a procharger.
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If you got him with 4.10 gears....with 3.23 or 3.73 it would have been even worse for the Mustang.
Old 01-17-2007, 06:43 PM
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So the F-body would have been faster with 3.23s or 3.73s, vs. the 4.10s?
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NOT!! The higher the number the quicker a car is as the ratio acts as a TQ multiplier. Simple comparison, get on a 10 speed bike and put it in 1st, pedal as fast as ya can from a stop. Put the same bike in 10th and do it again. Which gear accelerates faster? Which gear has the higher top end? Tall gears get ya down the road quicker but the taller the gear, the slower the top speed.

So, if the F-bod had shorter gears (3.23 etc) the race would've been closer. The taller gear gave him an advantage.

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Originally Posted by CharlieCobra03
NOT!! The higher the number the quicker a car is as the ratio acts as a TQ multiplier. Simple comparison, get on a 10 speed bike and put it in 1st, pedal as fast as ya can from a stop. Put the same bike in 10th and do it again. Which gear accelerates faster? Which gear has the higher top end? Tall gears get ya down the road quicker but the taller the gear, the slower the top speed.

So, if the F-bod had shorter gears (3.23 etc) the race would've been closer. The taller gear gave him an advantage.
That's what I was getting at... I was trying to see wtf he was talking about
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Definitely a badass car you got there! I know of a couple supercharged GT's around here making mid 300's with blowers, but I also know of a couple making over 400. I guess it all depends on the supporting mods and the tune.

"but thats just me, i love the highway and will never leave it"
Sounds like the battle cry of someone with no traction, lol.
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Originally Posted by stock
yeah horsepower tv is a joke the new gt with a s/c at 8psi should easily make 400 this car will make 380-390 but still any bolt on ls1 is a badass car in my book.I would love to have one just cant afford to do it at this time.
I disagree, @8psi 360-380 sounds right, but not 400 or better. The only stock internal GT's that I know making that are running 10 and up. To the OP good kill, your LS1 must be a runner for sure. Your 4.10's is probably the biggest reason, I new a guy that had em in his 01 Z28 and from any roll spot it felt like a damn freight train. And to everybody else, I have seen GT's run 12psi safely many a time, its all in the tune. I personally would be a little wary of it, but it's not a stretch at all.

*EDIT* My bad "STOCK", I just realized your were probably talking about when Horsepower did it on a 3 valve, not a 2 valve car, In which case your right, 8 psi should net 400rw atleast. More likely around 420.

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Originally Posted by CharlieCobra03
NOT!! The higher the number the quicker a car is as the ratio acts as a TQ multiplier. Simple comparison, get on a 10 speed bike and put it in 1st, pedal as fast as ya can from a stop. Put the same bike in 10th and do it again. Which gear accelerates faster? Which gear has the higher top end? Tall gears get ya down the road quicker but the taller the gear, the slower the top speed.

So, if the F-bod had shorter gears (3.23 etc) the race would've been closer. The taller gear gave him an advantage.
Nope. Wrong. Is true a taller gear will make the car accelerate faster but this is more a predominant factor going from a dig, like from a stoplight. The race was a 45mph roll those are basically highway speeds. At top end the taller gear will have the effect of limiting or slowing you down, the lower gear will maximize it (top end speed) as you said. Thats what my post was referring to.
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Originally Posted by 99Z28LS1
either way, he beat an FI mustang with almost no bolt-ons. plus he has 4.10s and those are the best highway gears..... right? what if he had 3.42s or 3.23's. but thats just me, i love the highway and will never leave it

That thing must run like sh*t. I mean who is gonna put a supercharger on their car without getting the supporting bolt-on's. I hope he at least has a tune or his car won't be running long.
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Originally Posted by Fastphilly
That thing must run like sh*t. I mean who is gonna put a supercharger on their car without getting the supporting bolt-on's. I hope he at least has a tune or his car won't be running long.
he meant the T/A has almost no bolt-ons the mustang has everything he needs minus the after cooler.
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Originally Posted by chaman
Nope. Wrong. Is true a taller gear will make the car accelerate faster but this is more a predominant factor going from a dig, like from a stoplight. The race was a 45mph roll those are basically highway speeds. At top end the taller gear will have the effect of limiting or slowing you down, the lower gear will maximize it (top end speed) as you said. Thats what my post was referring to.
that makes no sense what so ever. The only time 4.10's will be limiting is once you get into 5th as tha's an OD with less than 1:1 ratio.

Anywhere else the 4.10 will offer superior acclaration providing you can shift quick enough to make up for the lack of terminal speed in gear.
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
that makes no sense what so ever. The only time 4.10's will be limiting is once you get into 5th as tha's an OD with less than 1:1 ratio.

Anywhere else the 4.10 will offer superior acclaration providing you can shift quick enough to make up for the lack of terminal speed in gear.

Really?? What will happen when the 45mph roll keeps going and you shift 5??? We are basically at top end or maybe near it. THIS IS WHEN 4.10 gears loose their shine. I know they provide better acceleration but again the race was from a 45mph roll!! This is what I have been trying to get you to understand!!! Taller gears serve their best in the drag strip. In the street at high speed runs they are not that hot.
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Originally Posted by chaman
Really?? What will happen when the 45mph roll keeps going and you shift 5??? We are basically at top end or maybe near it. THIS IS WHEN 4.10 gears loose their shine. I know they provide better acceleration but again the race was from a 45mph roll!! This is what I have been trying to get you to understand!!! Taller gears serve their best in the drag strip. In the street at high speed runs they are not that hot.
Even with 4.10s from a 45 roll I would think you would start in 2nd. And if you were to race past 110 or so you might have to shift into 5th but with those gears it would still pull. Not like stock gears where it feels like you hit a brick wall goin into 5th. And besides a car with 4.10s would immediatly start to pull at the hit and by 110+ the race would probably be over.
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Originally Posted by chaman
Really?? What will happen when the 45mph roll keeps going and you shift 5??? We are basically at top end or maybe near it. THIS IS WHEN 4.10 gears loose their shine. I know they provide better acceleration but again the race was from a 45mph roll!! This is what I have been trying to get you to understand!!! Taller gears serve their best in the drag strip. In the street at high speed runs they are not that hot.
It all depends how fast you are going to go.

4.10's will take you to 112mph @ 6000rpm so for many that would be a decent race and during that period of time they should in theory out accelarate taller gears (numerically lower) such as 3.73 or 3.42

If you up the rpm limiter to 6700rpm as many do with a big cam 4.10's will take you too 125mph. And considering stock limiter of 6000rpm is only 123mph with 3.42's you haven't really lost anything.

And even once in 5th due to the lower final drive ratio the car is still likely to accelarate well with 4.10's.
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Originally Posted by SilverStang00
Even with 4.10s from a 45 roll I would think you would start in 2nd. And if you were to race past 110 or so you might have to shift into 5th but with those gears it would still pull. Not like stock gears where it feels like you hit a brick wall goin into 5th. And besides a car with 4.10s would immediatly start to pull at the hit and by 110+ the race would probably be over.
2nd gear would be ideal for a 45mph roll with 4.10's as you'd be right at 4300rpm and right on PEAK torque, infact it's probably optimum for a stock internal LS1.



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