Originally Posted by 305 h.o.

I raced a few lt1 cars in my 86 camaro when it had a stock 305 and a 3:42 gear and out ran one by 2 car lengths. The ls1's are in a totally different league so no contest your talking bout low 13's for a ls1 and high 13's even seen them run low 14's. Put a gear and some gas on your car and put em in both rear view mirrors.

Originally Posted by 305 h.o.

Your right, 9 times out of 10 you wont find a 3rd gen that will out run a lt1 car im not saying 3rd gens are faster. I had a 82 crossfire 305 camaro that lost to v6 firebirds and stuff it was a slug. My 86 was a snail to but an old gear head who built these small block chevy engines and big block showed how to make a 305 run with just a stock motor. I laughed at him when he told me that but he told me to change the gear and we jeted up the stock carb put a converter in it and advanced the timing way up. Yea no one is going to believe me with out a vid of my car running. Remember it was just a stock motor the rear end wasnt stock and it had a converter also. No bs ive never lost to a lt1 car.

Originally Posted by chaman

Probably because you have never REALLY run one........

Originally Posted by exeter

I can tell you what will happen..... Me and my friend lined up at aatco raceway.. i have a 98 ta .. with catback exhaust and slp airlid.... he has a 97 ta with catback slp and cool intake... so same mods... and i ran a 13.1 on his 13.6 ... and he has been there about 5 more times than me. it was my 2nd time going.

Originally Posted by chaman

Its a good thing you posted this. It is so absurd and full of NONSENSE that you have achieved what it appeared to be impossible....LT1 and LS1 guys in accord to bring you to the new era of REAL cars. Buddy, 305 are TURDS. No way around it, nothing you can do to change it. If you beat a LT1 the guy most probably was cruising around listening to some tunes or something like that. You are right LS1 are another league but you live in another world. Please do yourself a favor and shut up......

Originally Posted by chaman

Probably because you have never REALLY run one........

Originally Posted by Greedynessnish

Crossfire=Ceasefire same ****, but it does take some "know how" to drive an auto mainly on the launch especially in the street. To me now anyway it seems like your not a some assclown but a 305 is pretty much a lost cause compared to a 350. **** being the underdog a 305 is too far under.Remember your car aint stock and in the south with traction and decent driving in a stock LT1 13.8's are possible even lower but street and track are 2 diff things. Lack of torque would equal better traction and with the mods you have your top end is better than a stock 305 so you may have a slight advantage from a dig "IN THE STREET" and not much if any. At the track though you'll get ASSRAPED again and again.Oh and qaudrajets are still

Originally Posted by 305 h.o.

The last lt1 ta i raced was about a year and a half ago. 97 ta set me out a car length we raced 4 times i lost once due to spinning off the line. He set me out cause he said i had a 305. He gives me a car length and we take off as i hit second gear he starts to fade back and i pulled on him every race. Now it was 35-40 people who witnessed this same race 4 different times 3 times with the same result. I built my **** right with the right parts that match up. Ive built 350's to put im short for cash right now and my engine is just as fast as any flat top 350 around. yea 305's are slugs so what? If you know what to do to them and what to put in them they will run nothing like your average 305.

Originally Posted by 305 h.o.

Well i guess i cant defend my self with a 190hp engine. Going from a 2.73 gear to a 3.42 is a big step. 305's are sluggesh motors you are right but it's certian things that gm did to those motors to make them that slow. Not saying that im faster than all of these ls1's im not but i hav raced several lt1 cars and ive never lost to one. My car beats 04 GT's by 3 1/2 to 4 car length's every time and dont tell me they aint racing cause i have out ran a lot of them and they aint just watching me run by myself. Those cars run 14.1 stock with a good driver and i have some witnesses who are on this site that can vauge for that race. I built that motor in that car my self i know what it runs i know what it has out ran so no one on this site can tell me that im posting bull on here this is stuff that i have allready done, i have no reason to lie to any one. I thought this was a camaro site your acting like this is some ricer forum.

Originally Posted by 305 h.o.

9.001 at 79mph thats letting out.

Originally Posted by darrensls1

I think the only thing worse then his story telling is his spelling

Originally Posted by unit213

Where did you let out...the 330' mark? I let out and it's a 7.0 @ 100mph.

Originally Posted by NightWindDriftr

This turned into a request for a vid of stock LT1 and LS1 going heads-up, then turned into a debate as to which engine makes more torque down low, and has now turned into 305 bashing.

I have an '86 TA with a 305. No offense, but I doubt your car can take a (equally modded) LT1. You have a better chance with an L98, but I'd STILL doubt it. Swap in 4.10s and cam it all you like.. you're just trying to teach an old DOG new tricks. Your best bet is saving your mod money to do an engine swap. Like I said, I have a 305 and I understand what it's like to be ragged on. After all, with the L98 in existence, we have NO excuse (save a few hundred dollars) to NOT get a 350 over the lethargic LG4 or any other variation of the POS 305.

Back on "topic" ( ) I had a '94 TA, A4 with 2.73s. Judging by SOTP, it outlaunched my current A4 2.73 LS1 for the first 30mph. Again, that's SOTP; I'm not claiming that my LT1 was faster.