402 VS 600 street bike
04-27-2007, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Irunelevens
Well that's enough to run right with a 750... but if you're beating 1000s, we'll just leave it at "anything can happen on the street" 
04-27-2007, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Stopsign32v
Whatever you sayALRIGHT!!!! You guys have got me. I may as well come clean. I have been BSing! Hell I don't even have he car I claim. I just run a Honda. I just am trying to be cool I guess.
04-27-2007, 12:53 AM
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People are calling bs but no one has seen the car, bike, or rider. If you think anyone can get on a gsxr 1k and go run a 10.0 at 149 you are crazy. that bike in question traps low to mid 130's I have seen it. If you have a car that traps mid 130's versus a bike that traps mid 130's why would you assume that the bike will win just because its a bike? The rider may not be a pro or even good, but he is experienced he's had the bike for a while.
04-27-2007, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by CuNfUzEd
ALRIGHT!!!! You guys have got me. I may as well come clean. I have been BSing! Hell I don't even have he car I claim. I just run a Honda. I just am trying to be cool I guess.
04-27-2007, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Black_Bird
Must be a pretty heavy rider at 615lbs on a 600cc bike. Mine weighs 355+ my 190 and even add +15lbs of leathers/helmet if you want which equals out to 560lbs, and then goes to 5.09 pounds per HP. 55lbs is alot on a bike. I ran a 450ish RWHP GT not even a week ago and it wasnt even close, he's had the car for years and I've had this new bike for months. I love my car, bikes are just a different world altogether.
04-27-2007, 08:01 AM
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Well first off there is not a 600 or a 1000 for that matter that weighs 355 wet, that is the dry weight with no fluids meaning no gas, no oil, no battery fluid, no coolant, no brake fluid, no fork oil nothing. Wet with all fluid and full tank of gas every 600 and 1000 on the market at either at 410 to 430 for the bike and then maybe figure 180 for a rider.
Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.
600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp
Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.
There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.
I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.
When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad *** and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.
Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.
600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp
Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.
There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.
I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.
When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad *** and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.
04-27-2007, 08:26 AM
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said gsxr rider was my brother, he has run 10.41@136mph w/ a 1.54" short time. he weighs in at about 215lbs...and the bike is (i should say was ) an '04 gsxr 1k
sneaky, if you are trapping 145 you should be running MUCH faster than mid 10's, our buddy here trapping 145 runs in the mid 9's on his zx-10r, so something don't add up there.
i was in my camaro as the "trail" car (i call it that because cunfuzed drove away like i wasn't racing) that got the video.
555rwhp through a th400 and 12-bolt is easily capable of mid 10's at the kind of MPH
i just love me some internet experts
hp/weight ratio play an important role, but people should remember that even todays best sportbikes have a higher drag coefficient than a new pickup truck...a car with a lb/hp ratio of 4:1 would blow a bike away, so if that's all that comes into play how can it be explained, hmm
) an '04 gsxr 1ksneaky, if you are trapping 145 you should be running MUCH faster than mid 10's, our buddy here trapping 145 runs in the mid 9's on his zx-10r, so something don't add up there.
i was in my camaro as the "trail" car (i call it that because cunfuzed drove away like i wasn't racing) that got the video.
555rwhp through a th400 and 12-bolt is easily capable of mid 10's at the kind of MPH
i just love me some internet experts
hp/weight ratio play an important role, but people should remember that even todays best sportbikes have a higher drag coefficient than a new pickup truck...a car with a lb/hp ratio of 4:1 would blow a bike away, so if that's all that comes into play how can it be explained, hmm
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04-27-2007, 10:23 AM
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My numbers add up just fine, I dont do 8000rpm drops out of the hole and stock gearing in the tranny on a ZX10r is alot different than the Gixxer 1000. Too much off the line and I just ride wheelies in 1st and 2nd all the way down the track.
My bike is under warranty as well and I really dont feel like replacing the clutch trying to be a ricky racer at the drags. I have a local friend as well that is running 9.6's on his Gixxer 1000 as well. They are alot easier bike to launch at the track versus the 10's due to the clutch design and gearing.
Assuming Cunfuzed is making 55rwhp with his car weight in the 3500-3600 range as I dont know what he drives that puts him at the 5.75-6.5 pounds per hp range. that is a far cry away from 4:1. His car would have to weigh 2200 pounds to make that kind of ratio. Even if he was driving a 3000 pound Z06 he is still at 5.40 pounds per hp.
I can gurantee you that there are few cars on the road that will outrun or out top my 10r in top speed. The only ones I can think of are the elusive and high end cars like Mclarens, Lambo's, high end Ferraris, Bugatti's, Porsches and so on.
The C6 is only able to achieve right at 190mph stock and the Z06 is right at 200. If he is running a 12bolt and TH400 gearing alon is going to limit him to maybe 150ish if he setup for the track.
I am sorry but contrary to your belief almost all 2004+ liter bikes will pull well past that with ease. I put a speedo calibrator on my bike and had it calibrated on the dyno during my custom map to make sure it was accurate to 160 for sure. I have been to 185 with GPS as well just for ***** and grins.
The best outcome I can think of is his car might hang until I get into 3rd and then I am going to waev buh bye to him until I let out.
I love internet experts as well, especially ones that cant add or divide math and come up with a realistic number.
My bike is under warranty as well and I really dont feel like replacing the clutch trying to be a ricky racer at the drags. I have a local friend as well that is running 9.6's on his Gixxer 1000 as well. They are alot easier bike to launch at the track versus the 10's due to the clutch design and gearing.
Assuming Cunfuzed is making 55rwhp with his car weight in the 3500-3600 range as I dont know what he drives that puts him at the 5.75-6.5 pounds per hp range. that is a far cry away from 4:1. His car would have to weigh 2200 pounds to make that kind of ratio. Even if he was driving a 3000 pound Z06 he is still at 5.40 pounds per hp.
I can gurantee you that there are few cars on the road that will outrun or out top my 10r in top speed. The only ones I can think of are the elusive and high end cars like Mclarens, Lambo's, high end Ferraris, Bugatti's, Porsches and so on.
The C6 is only able to achieve right at 190mph stock and the Z06 is right at 200. If he is running a 12bolt and TH400 gearing alon is going to limit him to maybe 150ish if he setup for the track.
I am sorry but contrary to your belief almost all 2004+ liter bikes will pull well past that with ease. I put a speedo calibrator on my bike and had it calibrated on the dyno during my custom map to make sure it was accurate to 160 for sure. I have been to 185 with GPS as well just for ***** and grins.
The best outcome I can think of is his car might hang until I get into 3rd and then I am going to waev buh bye to him until I let out.
I love internet experts as well, especially ones that cant add or divide math and come up with a realistic number.
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04-27-2007, 10:35 AM
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I don't think it's going to matter what we say anymore, especially when it comes to liter bikes. I hope this race actually happens. I rode my buddies GSXR1000 up to 160, pushing hard through 2nd, 3rd, and some of 4th I believe. That was the first real fast bike I've ridden and it scared the **** out of me lol. I'm not afraid to admit it either.
04-27-2007, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by ZFan88
I don't think it's going to matter what we say anymore, especially when it comes to liter bikes. I hope this race actually happens. I rode my buddies GSXR1000 up to 160, pushing hard through 2nd, 3rd, and some of 4th I believe. That was the first real fast bike I've ridden and it scared the **** out of me lol. I'm not afraid to admit it either.
04-27-2007, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Sneakyws6
Well first off there is not a 600 or a 1000 for that matter that weighs 355 wet, that is the dry weight with no fluids meaning no gas, no oil, no battery fluid, no coolant, no brake fluid, no fork oil nothing. Wet with all fluid and full tank of gas every 600 and 1000 on the market at either at 410 to 430 for the bike and then maybe figure 180 for a rider.
Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.
600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp
Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.
There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.
I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.
When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad *** and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.
Go middle of the road for the bike and that puts you right at 600 pounds.
600cc with maybe 110rwhp and 600 pounds = 5.45 pounds per hp
1000cc with maybe 155rwhp and 600 pounds = 3.87 pounds per hp
Cunfuzed maybe its time you race someone who knows how to ride. I can help you settle this seeing as I live in Oklahoma. I own a 2005 ZX10r putting down 160rwhp and also have a 2005 ZX6r 636 putting down 107rwhp at my disposal. I race out at thunder Valley and run around the Hallet track a couple of times a year.
There are no experienced liter bike owners running 130's at TV. I run 10.5's at 145 at TV. I was running 11.0's at 135 on my old bike which was a 2003 636.
I know my 10 will pull to 185 actual and the 636 in my garage will do 165 actual.
When you are ready and willing to race someone who knows how to ride let me know. If your car is that bad *** and you can bet me then fine but I just dont see you being that close with any of the newer 2004+ liter bikes on the market if they have a accomplished rider on them.
I will be more than happy if I make it out that way. You are 3 1/2 hours away from me. BUT!!!!! I have some local guys here in the 9's that are willing to give me a few races. I am sure rider had something to do with me beating the 1k. But, I have beaten bikes so many times I begin to wonder.
So I have lined up for your viewing pleasure a 05 Busa and a 05 GXR1000 with 188rwph and some happy gas on top. That should be ugly if I get sprayed.
Also as for your catching up to me, if I have the leed you wont. I am geared for the 1320. So it will be the first to 13X wins. I suspect 140 maybe. I have to regear the car.
04-27-2007, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by CuNfUzEd
Also as for your catching up to me, if I have the leed you wont. I am geared for the 1320. So it will be the first to 13X wins. I suspect 140 maybe. I have to regear the car.
Listen,
newer 750's and 1000's run 10's.
And, they get pull to 175 Mph like nobody's business.
Do not confuse a 750 with a 600, in terms of power and top end they are close to 900's and 1000's.
Your 500hp car would have trouble against an early 90's 750, and even then I don't think you can take it.
If youre not running atleast a mid 10 with crazy top end, you don't stand a chance agains a newer bike and experieced rider.
Yes, in the 1320 you can play because of traction and gearing, but on the highway, you better have that bottle full.
I have vids of a stock Hayabusa 1300 handing a 880 HP TT Viper its ***.
I don't care what you have raced, what videos you have or whatever.
I have owned and drove streebikes all my life, my bro just sold his 2001 R1 and it takes alot of power... alteast 550+hp and good top end for a car to run with a bike... bottom line.
04-27-2007, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by burnzilla
No youre changing the story?
Listen,
newer 750's and 1000's run 10's.
And, they get pull to 175 Mph like nobody's business.
Do not confuse a 750 with a 600, in terms of power and top end they are close to 900's and 1000's.
Your 500hp car would have trouble against an early 90's 750, and even then I don't think you can take it.
If youre not running atleast a mid 10 with crazy top end, you don't stand a chance.
I don't care what you have raced, what videos you have or whatever.
I have owned and drove streebikes all my life, my bro just sold his 2001 R1 and it takes alot of power... alteast 550+hp and good top end for a car to run with a bike... bottom line.
Listen,
newer 750's and 1000's run 10's.
And, they get pull to 175 Mph like nobody's business.
Do not confuse a 750 with a 600, in terms of power and top end they are close to 900's and 1000's.
Your 500hp car would have trouble against an early 90's 750, and even then I don't think you can take it.
If youre not running atleast a mid 10 with crazy top end, you don't stand a chance.
I don't care what you have raced, what videos you have or whatever.
I have owned and drove streebikes all my life, my bro just sold his 2001 R1 and it takes alot of power... alteast 550+hp and good top end for a car to run with a bike... bottom line.
YOU DON"T SAY!!!!! It takes at LEAST mid 500's to compete with a bike. Well that being said WHAT THE **** WAS I THINKING!!!!!!!!!
