2000 LS1 A4 vs 2007 Honda Accord
01-06-2014, 09:35 PM
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01-07-2014, 07:58 AM
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Untuned my friend's bolt on accord v6 did 13.4 @ 106.6 mph on street tires(goes by the name Sonnick on V6P; he has vids and timeslips), I don't see an untuned stock geared 3v without headers doing that. Plus you can't even get headers for these cars, the exhaust manifold is a part of the engine block.
I watched a full exhaust, 4.10's, intake, tune 3v 5 speed do 13.5.... 5 times in a row at 105-106 mph at the track. Seemed pretty consistent.
You can gain 50 whp on a v6 6 speed with just bolt ons, no tune, and on those stock exhaust manifolds if you know what you are doing(using OEM Intake manifold/TB at that; like Sonnick's accord).... the 3v is 150% the displacement but it won't get any more power, doubt it would even gain that much. It's a joke and I never considered a downgrade like that as an engine, so I went with an LS1.
I watched a full exhaust, 4.10's, intake, tune 3v 5 speed do 13.5.... 5 times in a row at 105-106 mph at the track. Seemed pretty consistent.
You can gain 50 whp on a v6 6 speed with just bolt ons, no tune, and on those stock exhaust manifolds if you know what you are doing(using OEM Intake manifold/TB at that; like Sonnick's accord).... the 3v is 150% the displacement but it won't get any more power, doubt it would even gain that much. It's a joke and I never considered a downgrade like that as an engine, so I went with an LS1.
Pulling times of one car doesn't change facts. The fact is most people are bad drivers really. I have a couple of "friends" who both have 350Zs. One is TT and one is stock and they both were pulling 14.6s. I don't go around believing a TT 350z is a mid 14 second car.
And yes, the 150% displacement is absolutely going to make more power. That is EXACTLY what displacement does. I gained 80 WHP from those mods in addition to a powerband that an accord could never touch.
The LS1 will put on that much more of a hurting.
01-07-2014, 08:36 AM
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You watched a bad driver. I PERSONALLY have done 12.80s with 4.10, full exhaust and intake/email tune on street tires with a mediocre 1.89 60' time.
Pulling times of one car doesn't change facts. The fact is most people are bad drivers really. I have a couple of "friends" who both have 350Zs. One is TT and one is stock and they both were pulling 14.6s. I don't go around believing a TT 350z is a mid 14 second car.
And yes, the 150% displacement is absolutely going to make more power. That is EXACTLY what displacement does. I gained 80 WHP from those mods in addition to a powerband that an accord could never touch.
The LS1 will put on that much more of a hurting.
Pulling times of one car doesn't change facts. The fact is most people are bad drivers really. I have a couple of "friends" who both have 350Zs. One is TT and one is stock and they both were pulling 14.6s. I don't go around believing a TT 350z is a mid 14 second car.
And yes, the 150% displacement is absolutely going to make more power. That is EXACTLY what displacement does. I gained 80 WHP from those mods in addition to a powerband that an accord could never touch.
The LS1 will put on that much more of a hurting.
Point stands a 3v will not gain 50 whp from bolt ons, no tune, no headers like a v6 accord.... so IDK what you are trying to argue. Go home with your mustang husbands and play with each other.
01-07-2014, 09:58 AM
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Yes that's why I own an LS1. And my friend's cammed 3v with full exhaust and intake did 322 whp.... That's 60 over stock and tuned.
Point stands a 3v will not gain 50 whp from bolt ons, no tune, no headers like a v6 accord.... so IDK what you are trying to argue. Go home with your mustang husbands and play with each other.
Point stands a 3v will not gain 50 whp from bolt ons, no tune, no headers like a v6 accord.... so IDK what you are trying to argue. Go home with your mustang husbands and play with each other.
Dynos are a good measuring tool for the parts themselves and tuning a car reliably but in the end, the only dyno that matters is the 1/4 as far as what you actually gained in performance.
You'd be hard pressed to find a bolt on accord pulling 12.80s on 1.89 60' times. Mainly due to the FWD. Assuming by bolt ons we mean o/r pipe, intake, catbacks, pulleys, TB and Intake manifold.
Because if so, the 3v can get 50WHP. That being said, I do not argue that the 3.0 is a better engine. The 3V is not much different from the 2V. There is less left on the table in n/a power as they squeeze more out in the factory. While the Accord, as with most Honda engines, is fantastically engineered to produce power for production yet have a lot left on the table. But the starting point is lower so it won't reach the same heights under similar circumstances.
Which is why I also own an LS1 and moved on, but credit where credit it due.
01-07-2014, 05:24 PM
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I don't knock the Accord's gains. But a 3V will be faster with the same mods.
Dynos are a good measuring tool for the parts themselves and tuning a car reliably but in the end, the only dyno that matters is the 1/4 as far as what you actually gained in performance.
You'd be hard pressed to find a bolt on accord pulling 12.80s on 1.89 60' times. Mainly due to the FWD. Assuming by bolt ons we mean o/r pipe, intake, catbacks, pulleys, TB and Intake manifold.
Because if so, the 3v can get 50WHP. That being said, I do not argue that the 3.0 is a better engine. The 3V is not much different from the 2V. There is less left on the table in n/a power as they squeeze more out in the factory. While the Accord, as with most Honda engines, is fantastically engineered to produce power for production yet have a lot left on the table. But the starting point is lower so it won't reach the same heights under similar circumstances.
Which is why I also own an LS1 and moved on, but credit where credit it due.
Dynos are a good measuring tool for the parts themselves and tuning a car reliably but in the end, the only dyno that matters is the 1/4 as far as what you actually gained in performance.
You'd be hard pressed to find a bolt on accord pulling 12.80s on 1.89 60' times. Mainly due to the FWD. Assuming by bolt ons we mean o/r pipe, intake, catbacks, pulleys, TB and Intake manifold.
Because if so, the 3v can get 50WHP. That being said, I do not argue that the 3.0 is a better engine. The 3V is not much different from the 2V. There is less left on the table in n/a power as they squeeze more out in the factory. While the Accord, as with most Honda engines, is fantastically engineered to produce power for production yet have a lot left on the table. But the starting point is lower so it won't reach the same heights under similar circumstances.
Which is why I also own an LS1 and moved on, but credit where credit it due.
