Spring suggestions for drag racing - details inside
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Spring suggestions for drag racing - details inside
Hey guys,
Im trying to figure out what spring to run on the front, and the only answer i get is "stock ones should be fine"
My car damn near bottoms out with the stock springs up front.
Setup is a 418ci iron block motor... vic jr intake and elbow
Trans is a 4l80
Rear end is an iron 9" with 3.50's
Motor makes ~630 at the flywheel on motor and gona spray 300 total to it.
Stock springs and shocks on all 4 corners... both swaybars removed.
Tubular K-member, a-arms, torque arm, panhard bar, lower control arms.
Prostars 3.5's and 10's... 26" tire in front... 325 drag radial in rear.
I tried just driving around how it was and the front air dam scrapes when i brake hard. The headers even have some dents in the collectors where it scraped.
If there is any more info you need to help me make this decision please let me know. I would love for a shop to PM me so i can get these on the way... car is about ready to rock and roll and this has to get taken care of.
Im trying to figure out what spring to run on the front, and the only answer i get is "stock ones should be fine"
My car damn near bottoms out with the stock springs up front.
Setup is a 418ci iron block motor... vic jr intake and elbow
Trans is a 4l80
Rear end is an iron 9" with 3.50's
Motor makes ~630 at the flywheel on motor and gona spray 300 total to it.
Stock springs and shocks on all 4 corners... both swaybars removed.
Tubular K-member, a-arms, torque arm, panhard bar, lower control arms.
Prostars 3.5's and 10's... 26" tire in front... 325 drag radial in rear.
I tried just driving around how it was and the front air dam scrapes when i brake hard. The headers even have some dents in the collectors where it scraped.
If there is any more info you need to help me make this decision please let me know. I would love for a shop to PM me so i can get these on the way... car is about ready to rock and roll and this has to get taken care of.
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It should be pointed out a stock LT1 engine was iron blocked too.... LS1 springs are a bit lighter (but also a little taller to start). Stock LT1 springs should be fine to support the mass if you can grab some.
Now, I don't really get what the goal here is. Clearly hooking is one, but generally a setup that will weight transfer is one that is quite soft in the front (like you already are). And you should have at least a stock rear bar on the back of the car to help keep it leaving straight (and many run larger rear bars for that reason. With your power you'll need help there.
And finally, shock are what keep the weight of the car from moving around unchecked and too quickly. Stock shocks are quite poor dampers, and that lack fo damping allows weight to move too quickly and can overwhelm the springs. Add the poor damping of stock shocks to the heavier engine and the age of the shocks (assuming miles to go with that age) and it's not a great combination.
Now, I don't really get what the goal here is. Clearly hooking is one, but generally a setup that will weight transfer is one that is quite soft in the front (like you already are). And you should have at least a stock rear bar on the back of the car to help keep it leaving straight (and many run larger rear bars for that reason. With your power you'll need help there.
And finally, shock are what keep the weight of the car from moving around unchecked and too quickly. Stock shocks are quite poor dampers, and that lack fo damping allows weight to move too quickly and can overwhelm the springs. Add the poor damping of stock shocks to the heavier engine and the age of the shocks (assuming miles to go with that age) and it's not a great combination.
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Thanks for the reply.
I dont mind spending what it takes to get the correct setup in there.
I already have strange adjustable shocks in the rear (just not installed yet), and they are setup to take a coil-over spring if need be.
Im kind of lost on where i need to go and what its going to take to get the car lined out. Drag racing is all i care to do... and want it to hook especially on the street.
I have an airbag in the right rear... if thats not enough i thought about going with an anti-rollbar. The car still needs a cage, but figured it may be the best option once the cage is in there.
This car isn't a daily driver, but will always get driven back and forth to the track (100miles) etc, so that has to be kept in mind.
Sam do you offer the kind of stuff that i need, or do you only deal with road race? Do we have all the info that you need, or will we just have to take it one step at a time and possibly change them?
Ideall if the stock springs let the front end sit about 1 1/2-2" higher, i dont think the "softness" would matter.
I dont mind spending what it takes to get the correct setup in there.
I already have strange adjustable shocks in the rear (just not installed yet), and they are setup to take a coil-over spring if need be.
Im kind of lost on where i need to go and what its going to take to get the car lined out. Drag racing is all i care to do... and want it to hook especially on the street.
I have an airbag in the right rear... if thats not enough i thought about going with an anti-rollbar. The car still needs a cage, but figured it may be the best option once the cage is in there.
This car isn't a daily driver, but will always get driven back and forth to the track (100miles) etc, so that has to be kept in mind.
Sam do you offer the kind of stuff that i need, or do you only deal with road race? Do we have all the info that you need, or will we just have to take it one step at a time and possibly change them?
Ideall if the stock springs let the front end sit about 1 1/2-2" higher, i dont think the "softness" would matter.
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I can do drag oriented stuff as well. We have drag springs and shocks too. I don't list them on my website.
I really can't get a good sense of what to recommend without being able to speak to you. For instance, I wonder what your ride height is to start with, and would need to know that to know how or if we can get you 1.5-2" up.
I really can't get a good sense of what to recommend without being able to speak to you. For instance, I wonder what your ride height is to start with, and would need to know that to know how or if we can get you 1.5-2" up.
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It's not sitting all that low in the front... A little, and much of that is because the rear is a bit high, tilting the front down, and an actual measurement on the tire diameter would be good so see how much it's responsible for. I know you said they are 26" tall, but there is fudge factor there and a shorter tire will drop the car through no fault of the suspension.
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Hey guys,
Im trying to figure out what spring to run on the front, and the only answer i get is "stock ones should be fine"
My car damn near bottoms out with the stock springs up front.
Setup is a 418ci iron block motor... vic jr intake and elbow
Trans is a 4l80
Rear end is an iron 9" with 3.50's
Motor makes ~630 at the flywheel on motor and gona spray 300 total to it.
Stock springs and shocks on all 4 corners... both swaybars removed.
Tubular K-member, a-arms, torque arm, panhard bar, lower control arms.
Prostars 3.5's and 10's... 26" tire in front... 325 drag radial in rear.
I tried just driving around how it was and the front air dam scrapes when i brake hard. The headers even have some dents in the collectors where it scraped.
If there is any more info you need to help me make this decision please let me know. I would love for a shop to PM me so i can get these on the way... car is about ready to rock and roll and this has to get taken care of.
Im trying to figure out what spring to run on the front, and the only answer i get is "stock ones should be fine"
My car damn near bottoms out with the stock springs up front.
Setup is a 418ci iron block motor... vic jr intake and elbow
Trans is a 4l80
Rear end is an iron 9" with 3.50's
Motor makes ~630 at the flywheel on motor and gona spray 300 total to it.
Stock springs and shocks on all 4 corners... both swaybars removed.
Tubular K-member, a-arms, torque arm, panhard bar, lower control arms.
Prostars 3.5's and 10's... 26" tire in front... 325 drag radial in rear.
I tried just driving around how it was and the front air dam scrapes when i brake hard. The headers even have some dents in the collectors where it scraped.
If there is any more info you need to help me make this decision please let me know. I would love for a shop to PM me so i can get these on the way... car is about ready to rock and roll and this has to get taken care of.
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It's not sitting all that low in the front... A little, and much of that is because the rear is a bit high, tilting the front down, and an actual measurement on the tire diameter would be good so see how much it's responsible for. I know you said they are 26" tall, but there is fudge factor there and a shorter tire will drop the car through no fault of the suspension.
I will try to get a true measurement of the front tire and let you know.
I have driven the car around with it like this, and it really needs to either get stiffer or higher, because i cant stand it scraping so much.