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twelver12 Apr 19, 2009 11:39 PM

sfc's
 
alright guys lets hear some thoughts on sub frame connectors
boxed or tubular?
and three points worth it over boxed/tubular models?

going on a street car max power this thing will see is around 500tq

Elliott's94Z Apr 19, 2009 11:49 PM

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I really like my UMI tubular SFC. Def made a different in handling. I've still got to weld them in. As far as the 3-points go I don't know much about them but if you have the extra money to spend on them I'd say go for it. The SFC for me were just something I said screw it and just put them on for the heck of it. Didn't really have any expectations or need for them. Good luck!

UMI Sales Apr 20, 2009 07:37 AM

SFC's good idea no matter what type you get!
 

Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z (Post 11460058)
I really like my UMI tubular SFC. Def made a different in handling. I've still got to weld them in. As far as the 3-points go I don't know much about them

Hello
Thanks for the recommendation and glad you like our product! We offer a variety of sub frame connectors for the F Body! When if comes to tubular or boxed. Tubular is a little lighter in weight and a little cheaper in price. They will both handle anything that you can throw at them! We offer bolt on or weld on versions (boxed is weld on only). And we offer sub frame connectors for convertibles as well. All of our sub frame connectors allow you to tie your rear lower control arms into them. For added reinforcement. As far as the 3 point SFC's go think of it as a roll cage for under your vehicle and if you are running a tunnel mounted torque arm this is for sure the way to go! All of our SFC's tuck up well so you still will have good ground clearance and added stability. Below is a link to show you what we have to offer.
http://umiperformance.com/products.php?category_id=129
If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I will be glad to help!
Thanks
Brad :D

teke184 Apr 20, 2009 07:39 AM

absolutely LOVED my SFC when they went in.

the car felt more solid.

i noticed it most on bridges.....i have ALOT of them here in the Fl keys. those small dips between the bridge sections, at highway speed you could feel a significant difference in how the car reacted.

in a way it made the car ride ROUGHER...but in actuality it was the that the frame was absorbing less of the flex...forcing the stock spring/shocks to do more of the work. and we all know how great decarbons are :mad:

front mount
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...0093_large.jpg
rear mount
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...0094_large.jpg
ground clearance view...i DO have the factory GFX though
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...0096_large.jpg

BMR Tech2 Apr 20, 2009 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by teke184 (Post 11460824)
absolutely LOVED my SFC when they went in.

the car felt more solid.

i noticed it most on bridges.....i have ALOT of them here in the Fl keys. those small dips between the bridge sections, at highway speed you could feel a significant difference in how the car reacted.

in a way it made the car ride ROUGHER...but in actuality it was the that the frame was absorbing less of the flex...forcing the stock spring/shocks to do more of the work. and we all know how great decarbons are :mad:

front mount
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...0093_large.jpg
rear mount
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...0094_large.jpg
ground clearance view...i DO have the factory GFX though
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_i...0096_large.jpg


Install looks great!! Thanks for being a BMR customer.:D

twelver12, go with the boxed. They are a stronger unit and as you can see from these pictures ground clearance is not an issue. If you have any questions please give me a call.

teke184 Apr 20, 2009 12:15 PM

i've been nothing but satisfied with all my BMR stuff.

although my sway bars are losing their powdercoat....granted they've been on for 6yrs. ;)


but i agree, the boxed are great. for a small amount more weight, and a slight drop in clearance (if you dont have the GFX) you get much more rigidity.

and they make a great place to jack on.


the 3 point are overkill i think. and most that i've seen have that 3rd connection on a pretty weak section of the underbody. so i can't imagine you gain much more over good boxed SFCs.

SimRacer1 Apr 20, 2009 07:29 PM

hmmmmmm ive been thinking of goin with the 3 points, hmmmmm

teke184 Apr 21, 2009 05:17 AM

they aren't any worse...but i also don't think they are noticably better.

not to mention i think they limit your exhaust choices. that 3rd attachment point gets in the way

Vicinity Apr 21, 2009 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by teke184 (Post 11467326)
they aren't any worse...but i also don't think they are noticably better.

not to mention i think they limit your exhaust choices. that 3rd attachment point gets in the way

I could see it limiting cats, but that's about it.

UMI Performance Apr 21, 2009 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by teke184 (Post 11467326)
not to mention i think they limit your exhaust choices. that 3rd attachment point gets in the way

Hello, Actually the 3-Point SFC's will not effect any exhaust system out there... they all clear with no issues.

Hope that helps!
Ryan

Sam Strano Apr 21, 2009 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by teke184 (Post 11467326)
they aren't any worse...but i also don't think they are noticably better.

not to mention i think they limit your exhaust choices. that 3rd attachment point gets in the way

Why do you think that? Most exhausts I know run down the trans tunnel just to the right and below the driveshaft. I've NEVER seen any sort of production exhaust interfere with a 3-point connector because there just isn't room to be running an exhaust between the floor and the ground where the SFC's sit.

If your exhaust runs inboard of the tunnel brace mounts, then the SFC's cannot interfere. Just look at how they bolt up:

http://www.stranoparts.com/data/images/p6606190913.jpg

DlXlE Apr 21, 2009 01:40 PM

I had sfc's on my old car and loved them. I went with BMR's boxed weld ins. Without the factory ground effects you can see them slightly(maybe 1/3inch worth) under the car when you stand back 15+feet from the side of the car. I will probably be going back to them when I get sfcs for my new car.

BMR Tech Apr 21, 2009 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by DlXlE (Post 11469280)
I had sfc's on my old car and loved them. I went with BMR's boxed weld ins. Without the factory ground effects you can see them slightly(maybe 1/3inch worth) under the car when you stand back 15+feet from the side of the car. I will probably be going back to them when I get sfcs for my new car.


Our boxed subframes are a tried and true design :nod:

Let me know when you are ready for the 2nd pair on your next project....

teke184 Apr 21, 2009 05:10 PM

for exhaust i was thinking true duals....but looking at that picture, i guess that would even clear.

i was thinking my TDs went outside of the mounting bracket for the 3rd point. but i was thinking of the trans crossmember.
my bad.

davered00ss Apr 21, 2009 05:59 PM

Running BMR tubular weld in. I would stick with weld in. Other than that, there is no bad choice.

SimRacer1 Apr 22, 2009 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by UMI Performance (Post 11468581)
Hello, Actually the 3-Point SFC's will not effect any exhaust system out there... they all clear with no issues.

Hope that helps!
Ryan


What about with a true dual setup

Pipelayaz Apr 24, 2009 07:52 PM

They will fit a true dual set-up.

twelver12 Apr 25, 2009 01:17 PM

thanks for all the replys guys i went with the bmr boxed weld ins from summit, ordered them thursday morning and got them friday afternoon on ground shipping man i love their service, also just got some umi lca's and a stb from them also gonna put them all in at once tuesday at school

~~~now anyone have any suggestion on preloading the sfc's? not sure if thats the right term or not but i have asked several instructors and others and it seems to be 50/50 whether to install them at ride height or support the car from the middle so the body flexes a bit and they have constant tension on them

teke184 Apr 25, 2009 01:32 PM

ALWAYS weld them up with normal weight on all 4 tires.

otherwise you could be welding a twist in the frame.

allbaugh_04 Apr 25, 2009 01:39 PM

install with suspension loaded


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