Has anyone with F-body done the ZO6 brake swap?
07-06-2009, 04:14 PM
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Has anyone with F-body done the ZO6 brake swap? Hey guys,
Just wondering if anyone with a F-body has done the ZO6 brakes? I've read some things on it and I'm thinking of going that route.
Planning a LSX 454 build on a '98-02 camaro and will need to upgrade. I know that GMMG put them on the DH cars. I'm going to be running on 18" wheels to btw, the ZO6's require at least an 18" wheels to clear the calipers.
Reviews? Thoughts? Comments?
Thanks
Just wondering if anyone with a F-body has done the ZO6 brakes? I've read some things on it and I'm thinking of going that route.
Planning a LSX 454 build on a '98-02 camaro and will need to upgrade. I know that GMMG put them on the DH cars. I'm going to be running on 18" wheels to btw, the ZO6's require at least an 18" wheels to clear the calipers.
Reviews? Thoughts? Comments?
Thanks
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Really? Wow, no I didn't read that. Where did you see that? On this forum or on the web? Thanks for the heads up. I'm just wanting a good big brake kit, preferably with 14" rotors, 6 piston calipers, stainless steel brake lines, etc.
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and you will need at least an 18" wheel to fit that
as for the rears your SOL
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also, talk to several brake companies, especially StopTech, Wilwood, etc.
"Just wanting a good big brake kit" can be useful or just a waste of money.
AFA 14" rotors and 6 piston calipers are concerned with adding 18" rims, are you aware that you could be worse than a 4 piston caliper fitted to a 13" brake disk all inside 17x9" rims?
As outrageous as that may seem, fancy marketing doesn't always convey the relevant physical aspects of a well designed brake system.
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Cool, is that what you have? Sounds good anyway though. And yeah I was planning on either using the stock rear brakes or Wilwood makes a big brake kit as well. Kind of pricey though, around $1800 for the fronts and around $650 for the rears. It looks nice too. Could I do the front set-up you mentioned and the Wilwood rear kit? Can you mix them like that or what? Not sure if that's a dumb question or not.
AFA "mixing brakes", be aware that for the brake system you're using, overall brake biasing is paramount. You don't want to shift too much to the front or too much to the rear, however I now have a seriously pertinent question in relation to braking to ask, which is...
What do you have for your suspension?
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I think you're talking about C6Z06 front brake. The only problem I heard is the uneven pad wear caused by the individual pad. If you go for carbotech one piece brake pad, you should be fine.
18 wheel what correct offset is a must, not any 18" wheel will fit. Correct offset is very important here.
18 wheel what correct offset is a must, not any 18" wheel will fit. Correct offset is very important here.
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If you want something that looks good (which, for a street car, is a valid consideration), then only the sky and your budget is the limit.
However, if you just want "stopping power" then it's a different ballgame. Here's what I have:
- Baer GT+ front calipers - these are nothing more than C5 calipers, with a Baer logo, and a few more ribs (got them for a steal)
- Baer Eradispeed 2-piece rotors (12.79" size)
- Carbotech XP12 pads (front), AX6 pads (rear)
- rear brakes are 100% stock
- Wilwood 570* fluid
- Stainless lines
It's all I need for 30+ minutes of racing.
Here's the thing with "big" brakes. Do they stop better than "small" ones? Sure. But, your tire is only so big. Once you have brakes that can cause the wheel to lock up, then all the rest of your stopping power is useless.
Bigger brakes take a little longer to heat up, meaning that they don't fade as quickly. But, if you get correct heat-range pads and good fluid, you won't get fade at all.
Rememebr, Nascar guys run brakes that fit under 15" wheels, and they have no problems. You just have to build the system properly.
I can't imagine you needing more than a C5 setup.
However, if you just want "stopping power" then it's a different ballgame. Here's what I have:
- Baer GT+ front calipers - these are nothing more than C5 calipers, with a Baer logo, and a few more ribs (got them for a steal)
- Baer Eradispeed 2-piece rotors (12.79" size)
- Carbotech XP12 pads (front), AX6 pads (rear)
- rear brakes are 100% stock
- Wilwood 570* fluid
- Stainless lines
It's all I need for 30+ minutes of racing.
Here's the thing with "big" brakes. Do they stop better than "small" ones? Sure. But, your tire is only so big. Once you have brakes that can cause the wheel to lock up, then all the rest of your stopping power is useless.
Bigger brakes take a little longer to heat up, meaning that they don't fade as quickly. But, if you get correct heat-range pads and good fluid, you won't get fade at all.
Rememebr, Nascar guys run brakes that fit under 15" wheels, and they have no problems. You just have to build the system properly.
I can't imagine you needing more than a C5 setup.
07-07-2009, 11:28 AM
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One thing to think about is that when Gmmg was producing those special edition cars the C6 Z06 didnt exist, well neither did the C6 corvette. So they used the Z06 off the available corvette which was the C5. And with those brakes you can get away with a 17inch wheel. And to top it off just about every suspension vendor on this site has a conversion kit you can buy. UMI, BMR, Strano. Just pick one, you cant go wrong.
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IMHO, the questions you ask are NOT DUMB. Whilst I do think it's better for one to exhaustively search, the whole purpose of threads like this is for one to become "technically oriented" with the mods, and not just to seek "loaded praises" and "anecdotal advice."
AFA "mixing brakes", be aware that for the brake system you're using, overall brake biasing is paramount. You don't want to shift too much to the front or too much to the rear, however I now have a seriously pertinent question in relation to braking to ask, which is...
What do you have for your suspension?
AFA "mixing brakes", be aware that for the brake system you're using, overall brake biasing is paramount. You don't want to shift too much to the front or too much to the rear, however I now have a seriously pertinent question in relation to braking to ask, which is...
What do you have for your suspension?
) As far as suspension, I will be using Koni SA 4/3 shocks, Eibach Pro-Kit, UMI shock tower brace, panhard rod, LCAs & brackets, Kenny Brown SFCs, Strano Anti-sway bars. I'm looking for really good handling, so what do you think of what I have listed? Should get the job done, yes?
07-07-2009, 02:37 PM
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One thing to think about is that when Gmmg was producing those special edition cars the C6 Z06 didnt exist, well neither did the C6 corvette. So they used the Z06 off the available corvette which was the C5. And with those brakes you can get away with a 17inch wheel. And to top it off just about every suspension vendor on this site has a conversion kit you can buy. UMI, BMR, Strano. Just pick one, you cant go wrong.
07-07-2009, 04:03 PM
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As far as suspension, I will be using Koni SA 4/3 shocks, Eibach Pro-Kit, UMI shock tower brace, panhard rod, LCAs & brackets, Kenny Brown SFCs, Strano Anti-sway bars. I'm looking for really good handling, so what do you think of what I have listed? Should get the job done, yes?
either way, stock LS1 braks with proper pads and rotors will be good enough. if you want to upgrade anyway, then C5 is all you need, dont bother going exotic.
07-07-2009, 04:26 PM
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id go with vogtland/strano springs myself, but thats more or less the same setup i have. are you going to do any real road racing, autox, track days, or just want to throw money into it?
either way, stock LS1 braks with proper pads and rotors will be good enough. if you want to upgrade anyway, then C5 is all you need, dont bother going exotic.
either way, stock LS1 braks with proper pads and rotors will be good enough. if you want to upgrade anyway, then C5 is all you need, dont bother going exotic.
Yeah I'm liking the C5 idea I think. I'm going to have a good amount of HP so I want to be prepared and safe by making sure I have the brakes for it, you know?
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I agree with the posts from "00 Trans Ram" and "EchoMirage." I will also repeat AFA finances are concerned, the money needs to be invested in the right parts in order to make these cars work very well. It also helps to install "one at a time" in order to really get a "good feel" for how to parts work. My point is that there are certain mods that are cheap and other mods that are expensive which do "work."
Since Koni 4/3 has been listed, this should be your "first" suspension mod. This mod combined with other "good mods" can help considerably for both handling and braking much more so than oversized expensive brakes.
Since you listed Koni's and Strano anti-sway bars, you should definitely take the time to consult Sam Strano.
Since Koni 4/3 has been listed, this should be your "first" suspension mod. This mod combined with other "good mods" can help considerably for both handling and braking much more so than oversized expensive brakes.
Since you listed Koni's and Strano anti-sway bars, you should definitely take the time to consult Sam Strano.
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07-07-2009, 11:35 PM
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I agree with the posts from "00 Trans Ram" and "EchoMirage." I will also repeat AFA finances are concerned, the money needs to be invested in the right parts in order to make these cars work very well. It also helps to install "one at a time" in order to really get a "good feel" for how to parts work. My point is that there are certain mods that are cheap and other mods that are expensive which do "work."
Since Koni 4/3 has been listed, this should be your "first" suspension mod. This mod combined with other "good mods" can help considerably for both handling and braking much more so than oversized expensive brakes.
Since you listed Koni's and Strano anti-sway bars, you should definitely take the time to consult Sam Strano.
Since Koni 4/3 has been listed, this should be your "first" suspension mod. This mod combined with other "good mods" can help considerably for both handling and braking much more so than oversized expensive brakes.
Since you listed Koni's and Strano anti-sway bars, you should definitely take the time to consult Sam Strano.
07-08-2009, 10:33 AM
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If you want something that looks good (which, for a street car, is a valid consideration), then only the sky and your budget is the limit.
However, if you just want "stopping power" then it's a different ballgame. Here's what I have:
- Baer GT+ front calipers - these are nothing more than C5 calipers, with a Baer logo, and a few more ribs (got them for a steal)
- Baer Eradispeed 2-piece rotors (12.79" size)
- Carbotech XP12 pads (front), AX6 pads (rear)
- rear brakes are 100% stock
- Wilwood 570* fluid
- Stainless lines
It's all I need for 30+ minutes of racing.
Here's the thing with "big" brakes. Do they stop better than "small" ones? Sure. But, your tire is only so big. Once you have brakes that can cause the wheel to lock up, then all the rest of your stopping power is useless.
Bigger brakes take a little longer to heat up, meaning that they don't fade as quickly. But, if you get correct heat-range pads and good fluid, you won't get fade at all.
Rememebr, Nascar guys run brakes that fit under 15" wheels, and they have no problems. You just have to build the system properly.
I can't imagine you needing more than a C5 setup.
However, if you just want "stopping power" then it's a different ballgame. Here's what I have:
- Baer GT+ front calipers - these are nothing more than C5 calipers, with a Baer logo, and a few more ribs (got them for a steal)
- Baer Eradispeed 2-piece rotors (12.79" size)
- Carbotech XP12 pads (front), AX6 pads (rear)
- rear brakes are 100% stock
- Wilwood 570* fluid
- Stainless lines
It's all I need for 30+ minutes of racing.
Here's the thing with "big" brakes. Do they stop better than "small" ones? Sure. But, your tire is only so big. Once you have brakes that can cause the wheel to lock up, then all the rest of your stopping power is useless.
Bigger brakes take a little longer to heat up, meaning that they don't fade as quickly. But, if you get correct heat-range pads and good fluid, you won't get fade at all.
Rememebr, Nascar guys run brakes that fit under 15" wheels, and they have no problems. You just have to build the system properly.
I can't imagine you needing more than a C5 setup.
02 SS:
Bilstein shocks
BMR adjustable Chrome moly- LCA and brackets, Panhard
BMR STB
BMR Weld-in Subframe Connectors
Baer Eradispeed 3 (2-piece) front rotors
Eradispeed (Single piece) rear rotors
Eibach Sportlines
18" wheels (4)
id go with vogtland/strano springs myself, but thats more or less the same setup i have. are you going to do any real road racing, autox, track days, or just want to throw money into it?
either way, stock LS1 braks with proper pads and rotors will be good enough. if you want to upgrade anyway, then C5 is all you need, dont bother going exotic.
either way, stock LS1 braks with proper pads and rotors will be good enough. if you want to upgrade anyway, then C5 is all you need, dont bother going exotic.
