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Old 05-03-2010, 11:49 AM
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Ok I just got my 4/4s in the mail. they look good except the ends were sticking out of the box and I'm hoping they aren't damaged. Questions I have are:

Can anyone tell me what tools I need? I don't want to have this sucker apart after hours and then need a special tool or something for the job. I am thinking a spring compressor and a ball joint remover. Anything else?? I'l be doing it during the day so when I get the struts on there now off the car I plan to head to Canadian Tire (pepboys) and have them r/r the springs for me.

Also how are these adjusted? There is no tool but looks like there is a slot for one on the fronts and the rear have a little nipple on top ???

Any input is appreciated !!! Planning to do this tomorrow morning before work. They're going in with Ground control coil overs.

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Box on arrival..looks like the rears are adjusted here just hope the box never landed on this side much in shipping..


Here's the shocks:

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This should help a lot
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Thanks for the link !!

ANyone know what people talk about with the front koni struts having 2 spring locations? I always hear people talk about using the lower spring mount... I have no clue where this is done by looking at it. there is a rubber spring cushion that rests inside is this removed to have the spring sit 1/2 inch lower?
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How are the rears adjustable? is it the little yellow nut??
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^^ theres a round plastic removable **** that fits over the end of the rear shock while its on the car.
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Ok clearly I wasn't sent either this **** or the front wrench to adjust either front or rears. I'll ask the guy I purchased them from. Is there any other way to adjust them without it?
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There's no "wrench" for the front and rear from the factory, just that white ****. You don't really need the ****, just makes it easier and lets you know if you're loosening or tightening the adjuster. If you know the direction, shown by the pic, you can probably just use a vice grips.

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Originally Posted by 99FormulaM6r
There's no "wrench" for the front and rear from the factory, just that white ****. You don't really need the ****, just makes it easier and lets you know if you're loosening or tightening the adjuster. If you know the direction, shown by the pic, you can probably just use a vice grips.

Thanks for that pic !! My question now is does it turn the nut or the little tip on the top of the shock to firm/soften the shock? ANy pics of the backside?
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also, if there is no wrench for the front how is it adjusted? do I stick a fork in there and turn???
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the little tip, I don't actually have any of my own pics, but it's the very top of the shock
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Ok awesome thats what I needed to hear. So the nut holds it still and the tip is rotated etc. Not too happy now that they were sticking out of the box during shipping. makes me wonder how many times the tips smacked floor.

WHat about the fronts? how are they adjusted??
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Originally Posted by Nastyc4
also, if there is no wrench for the front how is it adjusted? do I stick a fork in there and turn???
An Allen wrench is used to adjust it. It just fits in there and you push it forward or ar backward not twist it.... 2.5mm IIRC but it has been 2+ years since I adjusted mine so I could be wrong.....
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Forgive me for being an idiot. I haven't looked at the shocks since they arrived as im @ work. But from the pic I took, I just cant figure out how an allen wrench adjusts it. There is a slot, and inside there are tiny holes. Looked to me like a special wrench that would fit into the holes would let me turn it but I'm clueless now. Care to elaborate? thanks !!
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let me guess those arent circles but allen wrench holes?
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dont forget.......you DONT have to pull the carpet all the way back to reach the rear shock nuts.......THIER is a factory cutout to reach those nuts

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Originally Posted by sjsingle1
dont forget.......you DONT have to pull the carpet all the way back to reach the rear shock nuts.......THIER is a factory cutout to reach those nuts
Thanks ! i do plan to look for those to make sure future adjustment is easy as well. I'll be tackling this tomorrow and I'll be taking tons of pics along the way if I remember to.
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The special tool is something long that fits in that tiny hole in the slot... a long thin (2.5mm?) allen wrench works... like was said above, you use it to lever (not to twist).

Edit: I borrowed your pic and annotated.
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Wel WTF im stuck. I asked around but nobody could tell me what exactly needed to be done. Called Ground control and props to customer service. Super fast and accurate I now know what i need to do. I need to try and get this Koni apart for now so the install wont even begin before I go into work today but here's some pics for you guys.

Heres the Konis and Ground control setup:


Here's the issue:


Here's what needs to come apart OR the top hat needs to be ground with a lathe so the sleeve can slide down the Koni.


Ah well **** Least i can get this stuff setup so I can begin to take the car apart tomorrow.
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I have this setup on my car so heres your answer...

Contact alan blaine at

www.blainefabrication.com

he makes a special tool to take the koni top hat off.. i think its 40 bucks plus shipping

Or you can fab one up yourself.. you need about an 18 inch long, 3/4 inch mild steel pipe. a grinder.. and a socket thats the correct size for the nut under the tophat. oh and a welder.

basically you have to cut out a portion of the socket just big enough to fit over the shock shaft. and weld the pipe to to closed side of the socket at an angle. and than you have a koni tophat tool.
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I ended up Getting it off. Stopped by a small mechanic shoppe and he was kind enough to get it off cleanly and within 20 seconds all for a coffee for him and his employees


Here's where I am now, install will go forward tomorrow morning !!



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