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RENE'S RAGE Oct 1, 2013 12:38 PM

School me on LCA's Relocation Brackets
 
What actually do they do.
What part do they play.

sscamaroburn02 Oct 1, 2013 12:41 PM

Read over all the stickies

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RENE'S RAGE Oct 1, 2013 02:45 PM

That's too easy.

FiredUpZ28 Oct 1, 2013 03:03 PM

Lower control arms keep the rear axle for moving forward/backwards for each respective side. Thats one of the things that causes wheelhop.

RENE'S RAGE Oct 1, 2013 04:03 PM

Tell me more.
What about the different hole settings?
Always heard the 2nd from bottom.
What does that do?

BMR Sales2 Oct 2, 2013 02:00 PM

It is really hard to explain lower control arm relocation brackets without getting too complicated and confusing . The lower control arm relocation brackets can be used for a couple things. Lower control arm relocation brackets are used to correct lower control arm geometry after the ride height of a vehicle has been lowered and this is why we recommend them when you install lowering springs and are concerned with straight line performance and traction. People also use them strictly for straight line performance and traction because you can use them to add more positive anti-squat which will help with overall straight line performance. The lower you mount the lower control arms on the relocation brackets the steeper the lower control angle will be and the more positive anti-squat the car will have. Now every car is different and will want a different amount of positive anti-squat depending on power level, tires, track conditions, and a few other variables. You have to remember that the lower control arm are what is going to be transferring the power from the rear end into the chassis so if the lower control arm is angled upward towards the chassis using lower control arm relocation brackets the force will launch the car outward. If the car has been lowered and the lower control arms are angled downward towards the chassis the force will want to go downward.

BMR Sales2 Oct 2, 2013 02:15 PM

Here are a couple of drawing that we use to help explain the benefits of using lower control arm relocation brackets.

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/q...AntiSquat1.jpg

http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/q...AntiSquat2.jpg

RENE'S RAGE Oct 2, 2013 07:27 PM

Thank you Sir.
Do the lca's have any affect on pinion angle?

BMR Sales2 Oct 3, 2013 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE (Post 17725656)
Thank you Sir.
Do the lca's have any affect on pinion angle?

Not a problem.

The LCAs don't have any affect on the pinion angle, the inion angle is controlled completely by the torque arm.

RENE'S RAGE Oct 3, 2013 12:19 PM

You have been a big help.
Thanks again.

BMR Sales2 Oct 3, 2013 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE (Post 17727191)
You have been a big help.
Thanks again.

No worries, if you have any other questions I can help you out with let me know.

14k Oct 6, 2013 10:47 PM

I feel like a kid cuz the pictures really helped me understand it completely. Lol. Iv got mine in the lowest hole.

RENE'S RAGE Oct 7, 2013 05:41 PM

Pics always help!

z-maro Oct 7, 2013 08:55 PM

I agree, the picture really helped convince me that these would be beneficial. You guys should put this picture on your web site. I might have to pick up a set this winter.

HotWhipT/A Oct 7, 2013 10:29 PM

Learned something new with those pictures!

BMR Sales2 Oct 8, 2013 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by 14k (Post 17734020)
I feel like a kid cuz the pictures really helped me understand it completely. Lol. Iv got mine in the lowest hole.


Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE (Post 17735757)
Pics always help!


Originally Posted by z-maro (Post 17736283)
I agree, the picture really helped convince me that these would be beneficial. You guys should put this picture on your web site. I might have to pick up a set this winter.


Originally Posted by HotWhipT/A (Post 17736512)
Learned something new with those pictures!

I definitely agree that the pictures really do help explain everything quite a bit better. It is a bit easier to see what happens with a diagram versus me just typing up a couple of sentences. If you guys have any questions on this stuff or anything else don't hesitate to shoot me a PM or e-mail and I will definitely answer them for you.

AnotherWs6 Oct 8, 2013 08:16 AM

Yes, thank you. That was the perfect explanation Kyle. So I know that the relocation brackets are highly recommended when lowering, what else if anything is sort of necessary? I'm looking to get a set of your springs and want to do it right, all at once the first time. That being said I'm really only doing it for cosmetic reasons so I don't need to throw every trick (part) in the book at my car to make it handle better. I just want to get rid of my lowpro/offroad stance.

JD_AMG Oct 8, 2013 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherWs6 (Post 17737127)
Yes, thank you. That was the perfect explanation Kyle. So I know that the relocation brackets are highly recommended when lowering, what else if anything is sort of necessary? I'm looking to get a set of your springs and want to do it right, all at once the first time. That being said I'm really only doing it for cosmetic reasons so I don't need to throw every trick (part) in the book at my car to make it handle better. I just want to get rid of my lowpro/offroad stance.

FYI relocation brackets make it handle worse.
The only thing you "need" is springs to lower the car. But if you want to do it "right" you also need good shocks possibly an adjustable PHB and an alignment.

BMR Sales2 Oct 8, 2013 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherWs6 (Post 17737127)
Yes, thank you. That was the perfect explanation Kyle. So I know that the relocation brackets are highly recommended when lowering, what else if anything is sort of necessary? I'm looking to get a set of your springs and want to do it right, all at once the first time. That being said I'm really only doing it for cosmetic reasons so I don't need to throw every trick (part) in the book at my car to make it handle better. I just want to get rid of my lowpro/offroad stance.

We definitely like to recommend the LCA relocation brackets when a car is being lowered but I won't say they are absolutely necessary, it just really depends on what your goal is with the car. Since you are mainly doing it for cosmetic reasons the only other thing besides the lowering springs I would say that you would have to have is a adjustable panhard bar. The adjustable panhard bar will allow you to center up the rear end underneath the car so that the wheels are stick out equal amounts on each side.

mikestypes Oct 8, 2013 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by JD_AMG (Post 17737136)
FYI relocation brackets make it handle worse.

And brake worse! The brackets might help straightline traction by forcing the wheels down under acceleration, but they also try and lift them up under deceleration. This creates bad axle hop under hard braking and really srews with the ABS.

It is all a compromise based on what you do with your car. For a lowered DD/handling car, I no longer use the relocation brackets because the handling and braking tradeoffs were worse than the traction benefits.


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