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I would like to upgrade my brakes on a 2000 T/A but I do not want to purchase new wheels. I have read all of the BBK upgrades but they require new wheels.
It would be great to hear from anyone who went from the OEM 12" brakes to I would guess, 13" brakes.
Anyway, I am looking for a bolt on improvement and I want to be able to purchase the pads etc. from a local store...
Please post if you have knowledge of what I am looking for...
depends what you mean by 'improve'...to much heat? not enough brake torque? as the previous poster mentioned...purpose plays a big role in establishing a direction as I'm sure you are aware.
I have a base C6 setup on my camaro and there as been little to no improvement in brake torque, however the quality of the base C6 caliper and the ability to run a bigger rotor allow this setup to do a significantly better job of handling heat...and I can buy the pads from just about anywhere.
Those are fair questions from both responses and I certainly thank you!
I am running ruff wheels, 18in front and 19in rear wheels.
No racing, just weekend cruising and car shows.
The car just does not seem to stop very well with the larger, heavier wheels...
Is there a stock setup I can purchase with a noticeable improvement?
Example, C5 rotor and calipers?
Fade is notable on subsequent braking within a few minutes, light to light if I am getting on it...
I have a set of OEM 17in WS6 wheels and would like a setup that would work with either set of wheels.
alrighty...if you would like to control costs and improve braking, you could change to a more aggressive pad and blank rotors. I'm think something like a carbotech AX6 or something like that...
I run an 18x10.5 setup all round with 315 rubber and the AX6 do a good job of halting...mind you my wheels are light.
if that doesn't turn your crank, you could go with a kore3 C5 or C6 kit...more money but it will afford you more options. Bare in mind that the C5/6 caliper is stiffer than that of the F-body but the pistons in the caliper of the C5/6 are smaller that those in the F-body caliper ... the net will reduce brake torque by a very small amount...
I believe I remember reading that the F-body caliper will bolt up to the pad abutment bracket of the C5/6...which would allow you to run a bigger rotor and pads while keeping the same caliper.
If I understand you correctly, it sounds like I could order the C5/6 rotors, abutments and pads. The current F-body caliper would be reused.
Would this be a direct bolt on, with no other modifications?
The slotted rotors and possibly ceramic pads were installed by the previous owner. I am sure the car does not stop as well as it should and I am also sure the current wheels are heavier than the 17in OEM wheels, which does not help either.
You would think your suggestion would help the car stop better but I just don't want to throw money at it and hope it helps...
I would seriously like to go this route but I just don't want to purchase new wheels or install 3/4in spacers.
And trust me, I really like and respect what you did to your SS...four piston calipers are fantastic!
That is fair and I understand. In that case definitely look at the C6 upgrades Brigade was talking about I did A LOT of research before I did mine and those were the two best/affordable options.
The bolded above is a BIG portion of your problem right off the bat.
Like all the others have said, a set of AX6 Carbotech pads, with the larger Vette rotors and abutment brackets, using stock LS1 4th gen calipers is about as good (and economical) as it gets, fitting under the stock 17x9s.
I am trying to keep the stock 16x8s, so I am having one HELLUVA time trying to find decent brakes that fit (researching various Wilwood 4 piston fixed caliper set ups that would fit, BUT I MUST use their VERY costly 2 piece rotors and replacement 'rings' with these ).
if you get the 6liter eater kit, you should get the front lines for an LT1, which they sell. The LT1 lines are longer than the LS1 lines and it'll help. I think it was $70 for front lines from them. See my post in this section as I'm doing the same thing now. But you use the stock fbody abutment brackets with the 6liter eater kit. so remove the c5 brackets from your list above.
Also I'm using hawk HPS pads; used them for years and they are plenty grippy for street and occasional autocross.
if you get the 6liter eater kit, you should get the front lines for an LT1, which they sell. The LT1 lines are longer than the LS1 lines and it'll help. I think it was $70 for front lines from them. See my post in this section as I'm doing the same thing now. But you use the stock fbody abutment brackets with the 6liter eater kit. so remove the c5 brackets from your list above.
Also I'm using hawk HPS pads; used them for years and they are plenty grippy for street and occasional autocross.
Why did I think I needed the C5/6 abutment brackets to install the wider matching brake pads for the larger C5/6 (13in/13.4in) rotors?
If the F-body abutment brackets matching F-body pads are used, the pads will not cover the larger area of the rotor...or did I misunderstand the size of the rotor surface?
Also, in post 5 of the other thread where you are posting your brake build issues, 6litereater said, "The C5 brackets are for use with C5 rotors and F-Body calipers, not C5 calipers..."
If that is true, then your issue may be the F-body abutment brackets.
I do believe you and I are trying to achieve the same results...
Also, what size C5 rotors are you using? 12in or 13in?
I believe you can get a C6 rotor in sizes 13in, 13.4in and 13.94
The largest should be Z06.
C5 Z06 - Based on the C5 Platform from 2001–2004.
C6 Z06 - Based on the C6 Platform from 2006–2013.
hey - the 6LE brackets are designed for fbody abutment brackets and fbody calipers so thats what i'm using. it allows use of c5 rotors, which are 13".
I'm using fbody pads and they might not be the best fit for the larger rotor but good enough for spirited driving especially with a good pad.
will c5 pads fit in fbody caliper inside fbody abutment bracket?
hey - the 6LE brackets are designed for fbody abutment brackets and fbody calipers so thats what i'm using. it allows use of c5 rotors, which are 13".
I'm using fbody pads and they might not be the best fit for the larger rotor but good enough for spirited driving especially with a good pad.
will c5 pads fit in fbody caliper inside fbody abutment bracket?
I hope I am not coming across like I am arguing, because I am not ;-)
You and I are I agreement the C5 13in rotors are correct
We also agree the F-body caliper is reused
But I am confused about the abutment brackets
6LE said the C5 brackets are used. It is in post 5 of your build thread.
Why did Mark from 6LE say this?
haha no worries
the guy who started that thread was all over the place, so i'm sure you aren't the only confused one.
bottom line is i'm 99.9% sure 6LE brackets are meant to be used with fbody abutment brackets. That is what i have on mine now and with a spacer (grade 8 washer), they fit perfect.
Originally Posted by Atrus
...I also did some research before hand and based on other posts, purchased the C5 abutment brackets ... I started installing everything and noticed that the abutment bracket was not clearing the rotor, it literally rests on it.
I also noticed the bolts given to me by 6LE did not thread into the abutment bracket.
... So I installed the original abutment brackets, which clear the rotor and thread into the bolts provided (also installed the original brake pads, because the C5 pads don't fit the f-body abutment bracket).
Originally Posted by 6LITEREATER
The C5 brackets are for use with C5 rotors and F-Body calipers, not C5 calipers...
When he says c5 brackets in above quote, he means his 6LE c5 brake adapter brackets, not c5 abutment brackets.
^^Lol sorry when I started making these brackets people weren't really even using C5 calipers yet let alone the abutment brackets so calling them "C5 brackets" wasn't as confusing back then lol...
10-25-2015, 06:30 PM
2000 T/A Brake Upgrade Help 
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