Race Column w/ factory style ignition? Wasn't sure of best section to post this in, if there's a better spot feel free to move my thread mods, thanks. Anyone install an aftermarket race column with removable wheel in their F-body but retain the factory key and ignition? I just picked up a full setup from Motion Raceworks and am going to be attempting to do so...looking for advice/inspiration. Figured I could probably find a way to mount the key cylinder in the dash or something, but haven't put much thought into it. I'm not opposed to wiring a push button start either, if someone has a schematic to do so that would be great. My VATS seems to be still active despite being tuned so I'll need to find a way to work around that for now. Thanks! |
The factory key cylinder turns a cam in the column, which actuates a long rod, which actuates a (clunky) push-button ignition switch bolted to the middle of the column. So, re-using the stock cylinder would probably cost you more than the value of the car to do right and in a way that it works well. If you don't like push buttons, you can use an in-dash ignition switch from another car and the electrical should be easy to connect. Lots of cars in the 60's had them and there were also some other GM cars in the 90's that brought them back. ^ If you do this, you may need to disable the VATS and adopt a different type of security system, if you want to retain a security feature. There may also be an in-dash VATS cylinder out there? - I don't know. |
Thank you for the info. Looks like I’ll be going with a set of race switches and rockers to run the ignition. I don’t care about VATS I’ll just have to put some things back together to have my friend with Hp tuners turn it off before I make the swap I guess. |
Just curious, why did you go with a different column and not just put a quick release hub on the stock one? Weight savings? Also, is VATS all in the ECM on the LS cars? On my 95 I just grounded a wire coming out of VATS box on the right kick panel. |
Originally Posted by biketopia
(Post 19852723)
Just curious, why did you go with a different column and not just put a quick release hub on the stock one? Weight savings? Also, is VATS all in the ECM on the LS cars? On my 95 I just grounded a wire coming out of VATS box on the right kick panel. |
Originally Posted by allblackedout5
(Post 19852913)
Strictly for weight savings and for the price is why I chose the race column over just a new hub and wheel for stock column... after buying a wheel, hub adapter, and quick release...you only spend around $250 more for a race column and I THINK shave about 12-15 more pounds off of the car... I do not know about the VATS, my friend has HP Tuners, he's going to disable it for me. Now I need a schematic of the column harnesses so that I can run switch panel wiring to forego the ignition and key and run blinkers on buttons. Anyone have access to that? |
Let me know if this will work or you need more and I'll dig some more up. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/ls1tech...c5fcd28d2f.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/ls1tech...65e9d98c4d.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/ls1tech...edfba08ba9.jpg |
I didn't weigh them to have exact amounts because my new column hasn't shown up yet...but when it does I'll toss my stock column on the scale and toss new one on scale...see what difference is and let you know. But I remember reading overall weight savings with a new wheel and all that is right around 20 pounds. It's a good savings and creates a little more space also... Thank you very much for those wiring diagrams those will help out a lot when I set up the switch panel!! |
Originally Posted by biketopia
(Post 19852723)
Just curious, why did you go with a different column and not just put a quick release hub on the stock one? Weight savings? Also, is VATS all in the ECM on the LS cars? On my 95 I just grounded a wire coming out of VATS box on the right kick panel. |
Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
(Post 19853430)
VATS is in the BCM. When the BCM receives the proper resistance from the key, it gives the OK to the PCM to run the engine. You cannot access the BCM through HPTuners but what you can do is tell the PCM to not look for the BCMs signal, meaning the motor will run whether the BCM likes it or not. |
Good info...I deleted a lot of stuff, radio, hvac, air bags, rear view mirror, power seats, etc... going to need some circuits to run fuel pumps, fans, nitrous, etc... good to know I will have a bunch of factory circuits to tap into now. |
Originally Posted by allblackedout5
(Post 19853672)
Good info...I deleted a lot of stuff, radio, hvac, air bags, rear view mirror, power seats, etc... going to need some circuits to run fuel pumps, fans, nitrous, etc... good to know I will have a bunch of factory circuits to tap into now. |
Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
(Post 19853788)
Im doing a full cage and pulling the dash back out. Im half temped to eliminate some of the wiring and i would love to have the fuse boxes from underhood moved to under the dash. Im dreading that. |
Yeah, my biggest fear isnt the work its the "maybe" having to chase an electrical gremlin afterwards. |
Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
(Post 19853816)
Yeah, my biggest fear isnt the work its the "maybe" having to chase an electrical gremlin afterwards. weighed stock column and race column today. With steering wheels attached. 20lb total weight savings from stock to race column. Stock was 28 and race column was 8. Not bad. |
Originally Posted by allblackedout5
(Post 19854070)
Same with me. A LOT to go wrong there. weighed stock column and race column today. With steering wheels attached. 20lb total weight savings from stock to race column. Stock was 28 and race column was 8. Not bad. If you both are doing full on race cars it would almost seem to best thing to do would be to strip out everything and either re work the factory harness's for lights and the needed engine stuff, or just get a hot rod harness and eliminate EVERYTHING. Then no more HVAC wiring, no more ABS, SRS, etc etc. But that does sound like a gigantic pain in the ass. |
Yeah there is a metric shit ton of wiring throughout these cars. |
Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
(Post 19854152)
Yeah there is a metric shit ton of wiring throughout these cars. |
Haha. A metric ton is actually 2,200lbs. |
Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
(Post 19854152)
Yeah there is a metric shit ton of wiring throughout these cars.
Originally Posted by biketopia
(Post 19854164)
hahah, that is an accurate weight measurement. Every time i tear into another part of the car or open up something I find more and more I can just clip and toss. Under the console of my Lt1 car the SRS crash sensor i feel honestly weighed 2lbs, that and a few more of it's 1-3lb friends add up to a lot. Plus with the factory harness you've got splices with this feeding that and getting ground and power from over yonder to make all the modules and safety sensors happy. That's the shit that will trip you up if your not careful, been there done that :eek2::huh:. |
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