Anyone else remove their SFCs?
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I agree with LS1-Iroc here, it's a valid point about tires. Even new tires of the same brand vs old tires. You've done several mods at once, you can't scientifically single out the one thing and say it was the 1 thing that made it better. The new bushings helped make it better, the new tires CERTAINLY made it feel better. Maybe the SFC's didn't improve your car a lot but also their removal didn't do much either. Maybe it's just your mind playing tricks thinking after doing many improvements, it must be better.
I think this is a lesson for all of us to learn that without the scientific method (test things before, test after, in a controlled way with relevant criteria) we can't make certain claims. For the OP, there's nothing wrong with thinking you like how your car rides now, but you can't really blame the SFC when there were other factors involved.
I think this is a lesson for all of us to learn that without the scientific method (test things before, test after, in a controlled way with relevant criteria) we can't make certain claims. For the OP, there's nothing wrong with thinking you like how your car rides now, but you can't really blame the SFC when there were other factors involved.
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I cut out my welded sfcs...not hard at all with a good compressor. Difference in ride quality is night and day, i will never put those things back on.
i know they have their place, but my car is just a weekend cruiser with a street race here and there. They are overkill for me and looking back made the car drive like ****.
i know they have their place, but my car is just a weekend cruiser with a street race here and there. They are overkill for me and looking back made the car drive like ****.
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I agree with LS1-Iroc here, it's a valid point about tires. Even new tires of the same brand vs old tires. You've done several mods at once, you can't scientifically single out the one thing and say it was the 1 thing that made it better. The new bushings helped make it better, the new tires CERTAINLY made it feel better. Maybe the SFC's didn't improve your car a lot but also their removal didn't do much either. Maybe it's just your mind playing tricks thinking after doing many improvements, it must be better.
I think this is a lesson for all of us to learn that without the scientific method (test things before, test after, in a controlled way with relevant criteria) we can't make certain claims. For the OP, there's nothing wrong with thinking you like how your car rides now, but you can't really blame the SFC when there were other factors involved.
I think this is a lesson for all of us to learn that without the scientific method (test things before, test after, in a controlled way with relevant criteria) we can't make certain claims. For the OP, there's nothing wrong with thinking you like how your car rides now, but you can't really blame the SFC when there were other factors involved.
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I sometimes wonder if sfc really do that much. I welded all the body seams on mine. 1 inch stick every three inches. Stiffened up the car, eliminated almost all the nuisance squeaks and rattles. Never installed the SFC after I felt how much welding the seams improved the car
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I cut out my welded sfcs...not hard at all with a good compressor. Difference in ride quality is night and day, i will never put those things back on.
i know they have their place, but my car is just a weekend cruiser with a street race here and there. They are overkill for me and looking back made the car drive like ****.
i know they have their place, but my car is just a weekend cruiser with a street race here and there. They are overkill for me and looking back made the car drive like ****.
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They're great for jacking and help with launching, but if you're not changing tires and going to the track all the time, they make daily driving very wearisome - especially when it's cold.
#29
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when i first got my car it rocked like a boat over bumps & rail road tracks. after welded BMR sfc's no more rocking. you cant possibly tell me twisting metal is good for the body in the long run. i did add all 3 parts at the same time so im not sure which one fixed my wheel hop. (sfc ; lca's ; panhard). article may 2004 super chevy "ls1 dos & donts" claims the first thing you should do is sfc's.
I got tired of feeling the chassis flexing and moving under my butt over uneven ground so I added some MWC SFC's. They definitely firm up the chassis and stiffen the ride some, but I don't equate them with making for a harsh ride. If you stiffen up the chassis on a dated platform that's loose compared to modern cars, and you think that means poor ride quality I would start addressing the suspension. Having a strong/solid chassis is considered a good thing and your suspension is what should be used to set the ride quality. Look at a new Camaro. The Alpha platform is know to be excellent and a very solid chassis, but you don't hear of people saying they ride too harsh unless maybe taking about a ZL1 1LE or something. I'm running BMR springs with Koni SA shocks(6 sweaps up front and 3/4 turns out back) and it's a pretty stiff ride but I don't consider it harsh. In fact I feel my 03 Lightning with factory springs and Bilstein HD's is a little firmer riding but they're close.
My point is this. IMO SFC's aren't a must have mod on a GEN3/4 Fbody like they are on a Foxbody/SN95 Mudstain, but they're still a good mod that improves and strengthens the platform overall.
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This exactly.
I got tired of feeling the chassis flexing and moving under my butt over uneven ground so I added some MWC SFC's. They definitely firm up the chassis and stiffen the ride some, but I don't equate them with making for a harsh ride. If you stiffen up the chassis on a dated platform that's loose compared to modern cars, and you think that means poor ride quality I would start addressing the suspension. Having a strong/solid chassis is considered a good thing and your suspension is what should be used to set the ride quality. Look at a new Camaro. The Alpha platform is know to be excellent and a very solid chassis, but you don't hear of people saying they ride too harsh unless maybe taking about a ZL1 1LE or something. I'm running BMR springs with Koni SA shocks(6 sweaps up front and 3/4 turns out back) and it's a pretty stiff ride but I don't consider it harsh. In fact I feel my 03 Lightning with factory springs and Bilstein HD's is a little firmer riding but they're close.
My point is this. IMO SFC's aren't a must have mod on a GEN3/4 Fbody like they are on a Foxbody/SN95 Mudstain, but they're still a good mod that improves and strengthens the platform overall.
I got tired of feeling the chassis flexing and moving under my butt over uneven ground so I added some MWC SFC's. They definitely firm up the chassis and stiffen the ride some, but I don't equate them with making for a harsh ride. If you stiffen up the chassis on a dated platform that's loose compared to modern cars, and you think that means poor ride quality I would start addressing the suspension. Having a strong/solid chassis is considered a good thing and your suspension is what should be used to set the ride quality. Look at a new Camaro. The Alpha platform is know to be excellent and a very solid chassis, but you don't hear of people saying they ride too harsh unless maybe taking about a ZL1 1LE or something. I'm running BMR springs with Koni SA shocks(6 sweaps up front and 3/4 turns out back) and it's a pretty stiff ride but I don't consider it harsh. In fact I feel my 03 Lightning with factory springs and Bilstein HD's is a little firmer riding but they're close.
My point is this. IMO SFC's aren't a must have mod on a GEN3/4 Fbody like they are on a Foxbody/SN95 Mudstain, but they're still a good mod that improves and strengthens the platform overall.
Imagine being in the ocean with constant small waves.
If your in an inflateable life raft that follows the surface, you probably wont feel many of them as the bottom conforms to the surface.
Now get in a solid hull boat. You are going to feel more of those little waves through the floor, but overall it will be more stable
Now imagine the same scenario with bigger waves and how each will react. That lifeboat is going to flex and flop all over while the boat will ride the crests.
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#31
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As said by many above, leave the SFC on the vehicle, Sara (2001 Z28) loves hers, it keeps the bottom of her skirt unwrinkled
#33
I have a 97 SS Camaro T-top car and I'm going to install the MWC true sub frame connectors and weld every seam under the car and under hood in an effort to make the chassis as stiff and strong as possible then tailor the springs and shocks to get the " ride quality I want.