what would it take for our 98-02 F-Bodies to out handle an STi/EVO?
09-17-2008, 09:06 AM
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what would it take for our 98-02 F-Bodies to out handle an STi/EVO? Just wondering what mods we would have to do to get our cars to keep up with the STi/EVO guys in the corners?
09-17-2008, 09:32 AM
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A lot of driver training 
But seriously, there's a reason that the EVO's are in a higher solo racing class than the F-Bodies in stock and street prepared. They are just excellent handling cars.
But seriously, there's a reason that the EVO's are in a higher solo racing class than the F-Bodies in stock and street prepared. They are just excellent handling cars.
09-17-2008, 09:35 AM
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The nut behind the wheel is the most important thing. As far as same driver scenario, I'd imagine with koni's and strano springs, along with upgraded swaybars, you'd be in the same ballpark as those cars stock. Good tires are necessary of course. After all that, they'd still win in longevity. Those cars are more racecar-like than f-bodies, there's no way around that. You'd need some brake upgrades and other mods to keep up in HPDE or time trials..
09-17-2008, 06:42 PM
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agreed, these cars are good at exiting corners at high speeds. 4wd helps the sti/evo cornering at the more sharp slower speed corners, the f-bodys with a sway bar setup and other aftermarket suspension(springs/shock etc.) will be right there with the sti/evo's.
09-18-2008, 02:07 PM
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The nut behind the wheel is the most important thing. As far as same driver scenario, I'd imagine with koni's and strano springs, along with upgraded swaybars, you'd be in the same ballpark as those cars stock. Good tires are necessary of course. After all that, they'd still win in longevity. Those cars are more racecar-like than f-bodies, there's no way around that. You'd need some brake upgrades and other mods to keep up in HPDE or time trials..
I also disagree that if you slapped an AWD system on the camaro it would make it better. AWD isn't always better. RWD and AWD have their benefits and their weaknesses
09-18-2008, 02:39 PM
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True those cars are more built like race cars than the fbody is. So autox type races with equal driver skill, the evo and sti will have an upper hand. Though if you have an ESP setup fbody then it should be neck and neck with an AS sti or evo.
I also disagree that if you slapped an AWD system on the camaro it would make it better. AWD isn't always better. RWD and AWD have their benefits and their weaknesses
I also disagree that if you slapped an AWD system on the camaro it would make it better. AWD isn't always better. RWD and AWD have their benefits and their weaknesses
09-18-2008, 08:05 PM
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Z28 I disagree. The STI's were in ESP for one year and they cleaned house at Nationals. The next year they were bumped to BSP, and let me tell yea the folks in BSP were not too happy about it either.
Personally I don't like to compare stock cars to modded cars because the stock car can also be modded which in all likelihood would make it faster as well.
Personally I don't like to compare stock cars to modded cars because the stock car can also be modded which in all likelihood would make it faster as well.
09-18-2008, 09:03 PM
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Z28 I disagree. The STI's were in ESP for one year and they cleaned house at Nationals. The next year they were bumped to BSP, and let me tell yea the folks in BSP were not too happy about it either.
Personally I don't like to compare stock cars to modded cars because the stock car can also be modded which in all likelihood would make it faster as well.
Personally I don't like to compare stock cars to modded cars because the stock car can also be modded which in all likelihood would make it faster as well.
09-19-2008, 12:00 PM
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Launching!
As the available grip decreases, the advantage of being in a rally car increases.
You'll find (at least I have) that this is independent of the type or size of course.
09-19-2008, 02:48 PM
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It depends on the most important factor, something that has been ignored in this thread... how much grip does the surface have?
As the available grip decreases, the advantage of being in a rally car increases.
You'll find (at least I have) that this is independent of the type or size of course.
As the available grip decreases, the advantage of being in a rally car increases.
You'll find (at least I have) that this is independent of the type or size of course.
Chances are main factor is probably always going to come down to driver skill when these questions are asked anyway.
09-19-2008, 05:54 PM
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Independent rear suspension, and some engineering from honda/subaru/mitsubishi/mazda, since GM and Ford are pretty much complete ******* idiots when it comes to handling and ride quality. They just can't figure it out.