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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 06:47 PM
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BP-Shell merger back on the cards

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27 October 2006 08:43

Shell was at the centre of buyout moves and speculation on Monday after it unveiled plans to spend C$7,7-billion (£3,7-billion) simplifying its North American business. This was seen by some as a step towards a £230-billion mega-merger with BP.

The Anglo-Dutch oil group has also had its name linked with Premier Oil, although most industry experts rule out Shell being the unnamed company now in takexover talks with the exploration firm.

Shell said on Monday it would buy the 22% it did not own in Shell Canada, which is independently managed. It is quoted on the Toronto stock exchange and is involved with oil-sands production in Alberta. “We think the interests of the Shell Canada minority shareholders are well served by accepting the cash offer we are proposing,’’ said Jeroen van der Veer, Shell’s chief executive.

A Shell spokesperson said the deal would speed up decision-making and integrate the business into the whole Shell group. “It naturally follows from the successful unification of the wider Royal Dutch Shell company in 2005 to a group with one chief executive and one headquarters,’’ she added.

Shell must still secure the support of its subsidiary’s board and more than half of the outstanding shares being tendered, but few industry experts anticipate opposition. Equity analysts said the move was “good housekeeping’’ and might be one that could more easily be achieved by Shell ahead of any possible tie-up with BP.

Earlier this year Britain’s biggest company acknowledged that it had been looking at the idea of a merger as part of “scenario planning’’.

The spokesperson declined on Monday to discuss the possibility of mergers with either BP or Premier Oil, insisting the company’s policy was to “never comment on market speculation’’.

Recently Wall Street analysts have put out research notes on the benefits to both sides of a tie-up, although they accept there would be big regulatory hurdles to overcome.

“A Shell-BP merger would make a lot of sense and would allow [Lord] John Browne [the BP chief executive] to leave his company on a high note,’’ Fadel Gheit, an analyst with Oppenheimer & Co in New York, said on Monday. Gheit put out a note last week saying that Shell and BP could make annual savings of more than $5-billion and significantly improve the new company’s operating efficiency. This would help it compete with ExxonMobil.

BP’s share price has risen by less than 6% and Shell’s less than 8% this year while ExxonMobil’s has soared by 24% and Gheit, unlike many of his fellow analysts, thinks regulatory clearance could be achieved without too many divestitures being demanded.

Gheit also believes that a merger creating the largest stock market-quoted oil group in the world would be a crowning achievement for Lord Browne, who is due to retire in 2008.

BP has been hit by regulatory investigations into safety, environmental and trading problems in the United States that look set to dog Lord Browne until he stands down.

Meanwhile, Premier Oil, which has long been the target of takeover speculation, said on Monday it had received a preliminary takeover offer, although it admitted talks were at an “extremely early stage”.

Shares rose 7% but Premier admitted “the proposal is subject to a number of conditions, including due diligence and financing”. The reference to financing ruled out, in many minds, any suggestion that a company as big as Shell was involved. Premier did not identify the potential bidder and experts said there was speculation that it might be Pemex of Mexico, or a company from the Middle or Far East.

Premier is reported to have already received a bid worth about £1,2-billion and its name has most recently been linked with Shell.

Last month Premier’s chief executive, Simon Lockett, denied receiving a takeover approach from the Anglo-Dutch group. Premier has assets in the North Sea but also owns some much further afield, in countries such as Indonesia,
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:36 AM
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Definately going to happen......
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by pennys58
Definately going to happen......
I've got a bridge to sell if you're interested...
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:43 AM
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I have insider info, lets just say im very inside. I would not post if I wasnt sure, just FYI.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:50 AM
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I'd be interested in hearing where your insider info is coming from. PM me if you'd like, I won't tell.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 09:59 AM
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PM sent!
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 10:00 AM
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It is going to happen.
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of course its going to happen. it part of the fight for resource control. the big companies buy up all teh little companies so they can control all their assets too. if they are big enough, they will buy/merge with otehr big companies for teh same reason. eventually there will just be a few supercompanies around the world. and of course goverments that control their oil instead of companies (middle east countries). Iwouldnt be surprised to see oil companies done away with one day in our country. i bet they all eat eachotehr alive and the one surviving company will be government controlled.
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Originally Posted by A&M drty brd
of course its going to happen. it part of the fight for resource control. the big companies buy up all teh little companies so they can control all their assets too. if they are big enough, they will buy/merge with otehr big companies for teh same reason. eventually there will just be a few supercompanies around the world. and of course goverments that control their oil instead of companies (middle east countries). Iwouldnt be surprised to see oil companies done away with one day in our country. i bet they all eat eachotehr alive and the one surviving company will be government controlled.
...except we live in a capitialist society that allows private ownership of minerals and not a socialist country.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:12 PM
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Do you live in a house??? If so do you own the mineral rights on your own land. I know I don't Exxon does.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:27 PM
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Do you live in a house??? If so do you own the mineral rights on your own land. I know I don't Exxon does.
I, like most people who live in subdivisions, do not own the mineral rights to the land my house is on. Surface rights and mineral rights can be severed, an individual owned the mineral rights at one point and leased/sold them to Exxon. The land I have outside Dallas I own both the mineral rights and the surface rights.

None of that would be possible in a country like Mexico where only the government has minerals rights, not an individual land owner.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pennys58
Definately going to happen......
I'd like to hear your info. PM me too.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:31 PM
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i could care less about shell. i use chevron anyways..
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:35 PM
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Ever hear of Friendswood Development. It used to be owned by Exxon. Now it is owned by Lennar. http://www.friendswooddevelopment.com/index.php
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we'll see how long capitalism lasts in the energy industry when subsurface resources are next to nothing and we havent changed our infrastructure to depend on a different, cleaner energy source. the government will scramble n do whatever it takes to get the last of the resources for our sustainability. it will one day become a conflict resource for us. if you think we're at war in the middle east now because of oil, HA. let's wait 50-75 years and see what our wars are over.

of course i hope our country doesnt go down that path. but at the rate of population growth and inability to depend on another source of energy right now, the glass is half empty.
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Originally Posted by A&M drty brd
we'll see how long capitalism lasts in the energy industry when subsurface resources are next to nothing and we havent changed our infrastructure to depend on a different, cleaner energy source. the government will scramble n do whatever it takes to get the last of the resources for our sustainability. it will one day become a conflict resource for us. if you think we're at war in the middle east now because of oil, HA. let's wait 50-75 years and see what our wars are over.

of course i hope our country doesnt go down that path. but at the rate of population growth and inability to depend on another source of energy right now, the glass is half empty.
Honestly, you sound like one of those people who stands on the corner yelling at imaginary people and wears aluminum foil on top of their heads because they're afraid aliens are reading their mind and are coming to get them.
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why? because i think our government could try to take over total energy control if it ever came down to it? would you steal to feed yourself if you had to?



oh, and i've already been abducted
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Originally Posted by A&M drty brd
why? because i think our government could try to take over total energy control if it ever came down to it? would you steal to feed yourself if you had to?
No, the government will never just go around and take all mineral rights from people... even if they were "hungry".
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