rumsfeld out...
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Originally Posted by jeffstar
You know, I don't know a lot about that. However, I do know that he set up secret prisons and violated the geneva convention...which protected my Grand Father and my Father when they fought in WW2 (Army Air Core) and Korea/Vietnam (Marines) (respectively) so...I'm not a fan of the man. However, in the larger scheme of things....it's going to be a political blood bath over the next 2 years.
As for us getting the troops home, You have to realize that we started something huge (changing the infrastructure/ government) and that just dosn't happen over night. Believe me i don't want to go back but what we are doing is a good thing and alot of Iraqis are happy we are there i know this b/c my job in the army is to talk to the people and then some..
Either way if we pull out now everything we have done will be for nothing they will fall into another civil war and we will be back where we started. We have to build of the government enough to sistain themselves and strengthn the military enough to be able to protect themselves. We will be out soon enough so just keep showing your support.
K im done..
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Originally Posted by crsmetal
Hey dont' take this as a bash b/c i respect all your family has done for this country, and not to mention im in the Army and have been to Iraq. but here is the thing the Iraqis/militia over there dont' follow the Geneva convention im so not saying what happend over there is right but when our boys are being kidnapped or our civilian contractors are being beheaded i have no sempathy for what happend in abugrabe.
As for us getting the troops home, You have to realize that we started something huge (changing the infrastructure/ government) and that just dosn't happen over night. Believe me i don't want to go back but what we are doing is a good thing and alot of Iraqis are happy we are there i know this b/c my job in the army is to talk to the people and then some..
Either way if we pull out now everything we have done will be for nothing they will fall into another civil war and we will be back where we started. We have to build of the government enough to sistain themselves and strengthn the military enough to be able to protect themselves. We will be out soon enough so just keep showing your support.
K im done..
It's hard to stand up and do the right thing when nobody else is, including our enemies be them geopolitically bound or not. However, as Americans I feel it's our duty to embody the ideas we say we're protecting, during warefare and during peace time.
Also, I never said our Country shouldn't be operating in the middle East I just don't like how or what we're doing there.
Finally....I'm done with this post. I could go on for hours. There is a reason our country is extremely politically polarized right now and living in Texas I am part of the minority of people who support Human Rights for our enemy combatants captured and imprisoned. Back to talking cars, much more fun for me.
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Originally Posted by crsmetal
Hey dont' take this as a bash b/c i respect all your family has done for this country, and not to mention im in the Army and have been to Iraq. but here is the thing the Iraqis/militia over there dont' follow the Geneva convention im so not saying what happend over there is right but when our boys are being kidnapped or our civilian contractors are being beheaded i have no sempathy for what happend in abugrabe.
As for us getting the troops home, You have to realize that we started something huge (changing the infrastructure/ government) and that just dosn't happen over night. Believe me i don't want to go back but what we are doing is a good thing and alot of Iraqis are happy we are there i know this b/c my job in the army is to talk to the people and then some..
Either way if we pull out now everything we have done will be for nothing they will fall into another civil war and we will be back where we started. We have to build of the government enough to sistain themselves and strengthn the military enough to be able to protect themselves. We will be out soon enough so just keep showing your support.
K im done..
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Originally Posted by 2002C5COUPE
He tried to resign 2 other times before, and Bush wouldn't let him
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
G.W.Bush is the dumbest and worst president the country has ever had, and we all know he's gonna have a real hard time for the next two years and be out in 2008.
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Originally Posted by jeffstar
Also, I never said our Country shouldn't be operating in the middle East I just don't like how or what we're doing there.
Im sorry but here is where my ignorance is ganna show but what torture camps are you talking about?
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Originally Posted by 2002C5COUPE
I've heard similar statements from many people who have actually been in Iraq. I don't understand why the people who have NO CLUE won't STFU, and let the military do their job.
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Originally Posted by hawgs
You mean he won't run for a 3rd term???!!!
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
It doesn't matter if he will or not, he won't be re-elected, that's for sure, ppl got tired of him and his incompetence, he recently realized that, didn't he?
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Originally Posted by mattsls1
Dumbest post of 2006
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Originally Posted by SuperSam
I'm sorry, what's dumb about my post, the Rumsfeld stepping down or bring our troops home??? You don't know what it is to lose someone to this war. If it takes Rumsfeld stepping down, or the republicans lossing the election to bring them home, so be it. Just my .02 cent.
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
It doesn't matter if he will or not, he won't be re-elected, that's for sure, ppl got tired of him and his incompetence, he recently realized that, didn't he?
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Originally Posted by jeffstar
I'd like to see how you'd feel about tortue and human rights after you experience something to the effect. Say being crammed into a box and beaten for a few hours a day with out food or water, or being mentally tortured.
Why dont you go watch the best friends youve ever had get bombed on a daily basis or come back with mangled bodies, you dont think thats torture, our active service go through that everyday over there! I feel no remorse or sympathy for terrorists this includes women who hold the same ideals they have killed over 3000 of our civilians and still are plotting against us.
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
It doesn't matter if he will or not, he won't be re-elected, that's for sure, ppl got tired of him and his incompetence, he recently realized that, didn't he?
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Originally Posted by SuperSam
I'm sorry, what's dumb about my post, the Rumsfeld stepping down or bring our troops home??? You don't know what it is to lose someone to this war. If it takes Rumsfeld stepping down, or the republicans lossing the election to bring them home, so be it. Just my .02 cent.
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
G.W.Bush is the dumbest and worst president the country has ever had, and we all know he's gonna have a real hard time for the next two years and be out in 2008.
And I'm sure you have sooo many valid reasons to back that up, reasons that the liberal bulls%^t media didn't force feed into your head.
Oh yeah, just a little political lesson, Presidents are limited to two terms only, sorry to dissapoint!
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
It doesn't matter if he will or not, he won't be re-elected, that's for sure, ppl got tired of him and his incompetence, he recently realized that, didn't he?
No more political posts for you since its obvious you don't even know the first thing about the Presidency. The tables have turned... and it turns out you're the idiot, not W.
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Originally Posted by Intimidator SS
It doesn't matter if he will or not, he won't be re-elected, that's for sure, ppl got tired of him and his incompetence, he recently realized that, didn't he?