North and South California split
07-11-2011, 09:14 PM
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North and South California split http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj
A spokesman for California Gov. Jerry Brown calls the idea "a joke," but Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone isn't laughing. Rather, he's proposing that 13 counties break away from California to form a new "State of South California."
Mr. Stone, a Republican, says he will formally propose secession at a July 12 meeting of the Board of Supervisors. "Our taxes are too high, our schools don't educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public," he said in a statement last week. "It has to change."
Bartley Fellow Charles Johnson on a proposal to break up the Golden State.
Mr. Stone is particularly incensed by an item in the recently passed state budget that relates to the use of vehicle license fee revenue. Under the measure, any city incorporated after 2004 must forgo funding from the vehicle license fee. Riverside, which consistently ranks as one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country, is hurt disproportionately because its cities are much newer. The fees, which account for between a quarter and a third of city budgets for four new Riverside County cities, were taken to help close the state's $26.6 billion deficit.
So does Mr. Stone, a pharmacist-turned-supervisor, have the right prescription for what ails California? "It's the political equivalent of smashing the china," says Professor John J. Pitney of Claremont McKenna College in Los Angeles County. "But sometimes, that's the only way to get attention."
There have been at least two dozen secession attempts in the state since 1850. Both state lawmakers and Congress would have to approve any split. And so far Mr. Stone has been unable to persuade many fellow Republican officials of his plan's merits. Tony Krvaric, chairman of the Republican Party of San Diego Country, called the proposal "ludicrous." Breaking up is hard to do.
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Mr. Stone, a Republican, says he will formally propose secession at a July 12 meeting of the Board of Supervisors. "Our taxes are too high, our schools don't educate our children well enough, unions and other special interests have more clout in the Legislature than the general public," he said in a statement last week. "It has to change."
Bartley Fellow Charles Johnson on a proposal to break up the Golden State.
Mr. Stone is particularly incensed by an item in the recently passed state budget that relates to the use of vehicle license fee revenue. Under the measure, any city incorporated after 2004 must forgo funding from the vehicle license fee. Riverside, which consistently ranks as one of the fastest-growing metropolitan areas in the country, is hurt disproportionately because its cities are much newer. The fees, which account for between a quarter and a third of city budgets for four new Riverside County cities, were taken to help close the state's $26.6 billion deficit.
So does Mr. Stone, a pharmacist-turned-supervisor, have the right prescription for what ails California? "It's the political equivalent of smashing the china," says Professor John J. Pitney of Claremont McKenna College in Los Angeles County. "But sometimes, that's the only way to get attention."
There have been at least two dozen secession attempts in the state since 1850. Both state lawmakers and Congress would have to approve any split. And so far Mr. Stone has been unable to persuade many fellow Republican officials of his plan's merits. Tony Krvaric, chairman of the Republican Party of San Diego Country, called the proposal "ludicrous." Breaking up is hard to do.
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They have been trying this since the 1800's ain't gonna happen. 
07-11-2011, 10:41 PM
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South California' proposed as 51st state by Republican supervisor Ha! If this goes through, I'll be in conservative South California 
. L.A. County will remain as liberal (old) California.
Heard it on the radio news last night and twice this morning.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...upervisor.html
The 51st state should be named South California, says Jeff Stone, a Republican on the the Riverside County Board of Supervisors. But the proposed 13 southern California counties that would split off from the Golden State would not include Los Angeles.
Stone told the Times' Phil Willon that the ommission is intentional and is part of a plan that would make for a new conservative Californian state.
"Los Angeles is purposely excluded because they have the same liberal policies that Sacramento does. The last thing I want to do is create a state that's a carbon copy of what we have now,'' Stone said.
"Los Angeles just enacted a ban on plastic grocery bags. That put three or four manufacturers out of business,'' Stone, a pharmacist from Temecula, said.
Stone plans on formally proposing secession Tuesday during a meeting of the Board of Supervisors.
South California would encompass Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties, totaling approximately 13 million people.
The proposed 51st state would be the fifth largest by population, more populous than Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania. South California would take nearly a third of the population away from California, making the Golden State the second-largest state after Texas.
Eleven of the 13 proposed counties in South California traditionally vote Republican, a fact noticed by California Gov. Jerry Brown's office.
"If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona," Brown spokesman Gil Duran said.
. L.A. County will remain as liberal (old) California.Heard it on the radio news last night and twice this morning.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...upervisor.html
The 51st state should be named South California, says Jeff Stone, a Republican on the the Riverside County Board of Supervisors. But the proposed 13 southern California counties that would split off from the Golden State would not include Los Angeles.
Stone told the Times' Phil Willon that the ommission is intentional and is part of a plan that would make for a new conservative Californian state.
"Los Angeles is purposely excluded because they have the same liberal policies that Sacramento does. The last thing I want to do is create a state that's a carbon copy of what we have now,'' Stone said.
"Los Angeles just enacted a ban on plastic grocery bags. That put three or four manufacturers out of business,'' Stone, a pharmacist from Temecula, said.
Stone plans on formally proposing secession Tuesday during a meeting of the Board of Supervisors.
South California would encompass Fresno, Imperial, Inyo, Kern, Kings, Madera, Mariposa, Mono, Orange, Riverside, San Bernardino, San Diego and Tulare counties, totaling approximately 13 million people.
The proposed 51st state would be the fifth largest by population, more populous than Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania. South California would take nearly a third of the population away from California, making the Golden State the second-largest state after Texas.
Eleven of the 13 proposed counties in South California traditionally vote Republican, a fact noticed by California Gov. Jerry Brown's office.
"If you want to live in a Republican state with very conservative right-wing laws, then there's a place called Arizona," Brown spokesman Gil Duran said.
