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Old May 6, 2006 | 05:32 PM
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I just blew one of the side speakers beside the rear seats. I know that the stock ones are 2 ohm and most of the aftermarket ones are 4 ohm. I've done a search and read the stickies, but still don't know what to replace it with. I have the stock monsoon system and don't have any plans to upgrade my setup, but would like a replacement speaker that sounds as good, if not better than the stocker. I don't want to replace it with a 4 ohm replacement and have it be quiet. It sounds like something with a low rms would be best. Have any of you guys replaced these speakers on a stock hmu, with a good turnout? Guess I could buy a factory replacement speaker doh!
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Old May 6, 2006 | 05:54 PM
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yeah i have the same question...i blew out both my sail panel speakers and didnt know whether to buy 2 ohm or 4ohm speakers. I heard the Kapas are real nice from searching.
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Old May 6, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sscamaroburn02
yeah i have the same question...i blew out both my sail panel speakers and didnt know whether to buy 2 ohm or 4ohm speakers. I heard the Kapas are real nice from searching.

Are sail panel speakers the ones beside the rear seats, or the ones under the rear hatch?
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Old May 6, 2006 | 06:16 PM
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the ones behind the front seats
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Old May 7, 2006 | 01:21 AM
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TTT. Guess I'm the only one who's blown one of these speakers lol.....
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Old May 7, 2006 | 01:54 AM
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You need to define "Best". Best value? Cheapest that at least matches stock? Or truly best?
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Old May 7, 2006 | 11:54 AM
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I'd check out Image Dynamics "ID" Chameleons (spelling) 2-ohm speakers that sound amazing! Also check out CDT a lot of great products, owners nice and will probably help you out with that your looking for.
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Old May 7, 2006 | 02:55 PM
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I have Pioneer Premier TS-M7PRS midbasses in my sails. They are a better speaker than the Chameleons for about the same price. If the Alpines I have in my doors ever gives me problems, I'll probably drop them in there also.
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I have Pioneer Premier TS-M7PRS midbasses in my sails. They are a better speaker than the Chameleons for about the same price. If the Alpines I have in my doors ever gives me problems, I'll probably drop them in there also.
Are they 2 ohm? Do you still have the stock hmu? Amp?
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They are 4 ohm. And yes, I still use the stock HU, amplifier, and wiring.

In regular speakers (as opposed to true subwoofers) I fail to see any advantage of 2 ohm speakers over 4 ohm speakers. First, you must remember that a speaker's nominally rated impedance represents the lowest impedance (usually at the low fequency end of it's bandwidth) seen. The impedance is higher as frequency increases. Second, while it's true that a lower impedance speaker will draw more current (hence more electrical power) than a higher impedance speaker at the same voltage (volume) level. This does not gaurrantee that the speaker will necessarily be louder than it's higher impedance brethren. Remember, electrical power is not the same as sound power. The efficiency with which a speaker converts electrical signals into sound waves is called Sensitivity and varies widely among the available speakers on the market. Sensitivity is the sound power level (in decibels) a speaker produces at a specified distance directly in front of the speaker at a specific input signal level. It is typically measure at a distance 1 meter with an input of 1 watt. Although some manufacturers use different parameters. I do not believe that Sensitivity is linear. So doubling the input power may not actually get a +3dB increase in SPL. But it is the only commonly supplied speaker statistic that gives any correlation between electrical power and SPL.

Being unable to actually hear various speaker models with the Monsoon stereo system, the most I could do was compare MFR spec sheets. With a low-end frequency response down to ~30Hz while maintaining a sensitivity rating of 92dB/W/m sold me on the Pioneers. And I wasn't disappointed when I got them in the car.

Note: My stock sail speakers work perfectly fine, I just wanted something better.

I'll bet that is far more information than you needed or wanted. lol

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Old May 9, 2006 | 01:48 PM
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$43 bucks each on ebay with free shipping, if you decide you want to stay with stock subs. Just my $0.02.
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Originally Posted by HiTechGent
They are 4 ohm. And yes, I still use the stock HU, amplifier, and wiring.

In regular speakers (as opposed to true subwoofers) I fail to see any advantage of 2 ohm speakers over 4 ohm speakers. First, you must remember that a speaker's nominally rated impedance represents the lowest impedance (usually at the low fequency end of it's bandwidth) seen. The impedance is higher as frequency increases. Second, while it's true that a lower impedance speaker will draw more current (hence more electrical power) than a higher impedance speaker at the same voltage (volume) level. This does not gaurrantee that the speaker will necessarily be louder than it's higher impedance brethren. Remember, electrical power is not the same as sound power. The efficiency with which a speaker converts electrical signals into sound waves is called Sensitivity and varies widely among the available speakers on the market. Sensitivity is the sound power level (in decibels) a speaker produces at a specified distance directly in front of the speaker at a specific input signal level. It is typically measure at a distance 1 meter with an input of 1 watt. Although some manufacturers use different parameters. I do not believe that Sensitivity is linear. So doubling the input power may not actually get a +3dB increase in SPL. But it is the only commonly supplied speaker statistic that gives any correlation between electrical power and SPL.

Being unable to actually hear various speaker models with the Monsoon stereo system, the most I could do was compare MFR spec sheets. With a low-end frequency response down to ~30Hz while maintaining a sensitivity rating of 92dB/W/m sold me on the Pioneers. And I wasn't disappointed when I got them in the car.

Note: My stock sail speakers work perfectly fine, I just wanted something better.

I'll bet that is far more information than you needed or wanted. lol
Hey...that's great! Stereo/electrical stuff is not my fortay, so this comes in real handy. Guess I'll go ahead and drop a couple of pioneers into the sail panel and see how I like them. Is it just a direct swap, or do I have to modify anything? Cut and re-wire?

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Old May 10, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Redneck Z
Hey...that's great! Stereo/electrical stuff is not my fortay, so this comes in real handy. Guess I'll go ahead and drop a couple of pioneers into the sail panel and see how I like them. Is it just a direct swap, or do I have to modify anything? Cut and re-wire?
It's just a drop-in replacement. Just cut off the connectors for the old speakers and attach the wires directly to the Pioneers. The wire colors for the Camaro should be:

Driver side: Dark blue w/ white stripe = speaker (+)
Light green w/ black stripe = Speaker (-)

Passenger: Dark green = speaker (+)
Light blue w/ black stripe = speaker (-)

These also match the wiring for the coil 2 inputs for the DVC speakers in the Firebird Monsoon setup. I'd just tie off the other wires. People have posted with poor results when trying to bridge the 2 pairs.

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I would go with the alpines.
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so the pioneer premier speaker is 6 3/4 in size. I thought the sail panels were 6.5. someone please help. im going to buy new speakers and now im not sure what size to get.
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Old May 10, 2006 | 06:07 PM
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I replaced mine with the Infinity kappa 2ohm 62.7i in the sailpanel and doors. Or you could get some kappa 2ohm components and wire the tweeter off the rear 4inch outputs and trash them. I made the space smaller behind the sailpanel to get the best sound.. I have subs seperate, so wasn't going for the bass as much as better sound in the mids and highs. They are a little bright right behind the head, but sound great in the doors. Having control over them using a aftermarket HU really helps too.
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They are 6.5''
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Old May 10, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sscamaroburn02
so the pioneer premier speaker is 6 3/4 in size. I thought the sail panels were 6.5. someone please help. im going to buy new speakers and now im not sure what size to get.
The 6.75" speakers are called 'Oversized' 6.5" speakers. This seems to be a favorite size for GM cars. Some regular 6.5" speakers will fit with no problems, but many will need adaptor brackets (some speaker models include these in the packaging)

If you go with normal 6.5" speakers in the sails, don't be surprised if you have to go buy adaptor brackets to fit them in.
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so will the kappas 62.7i fit without any adaptor brackets
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