Another oil pan help question.
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Another oil pan help question. I need to know what oil pan will fit my 70 Chevelle frame with out mods... I have "STOCK LOCATION" mount adapters. The bottom hole in the bbc mount is shared with bottom front hole of the adapter. Will and fbody or cts-v pan work? Will the truck pan work?
If you research on the FAQ for the OIL Pan you will see what the shape of the OEM pan are like
You can get these OEM pans to fit in your Chevelle; 1) 4th Gen F-Body, 2) CTS-V, 3) LH8 (aka GM Muscle Car Pan) and most Truck pans to fit in your Chevelle. They all come with some fitment issue can be an issue that can be resolved by altering your plate, mounts and stands.
The 4th Gen F-Body is a very tight fit. about 3/8"-1/2" between both the pan / x-member and the right side head and firewall.
The CTS-V pan would require you to raise the engine up a bit, both the pan and the depth of the lower sump are issues that would cause you to rasie the engine up.
The LH8 and Truck pan will hang pretty low and not recommened unless chopping off the bottom of the pan to deal with ground clearance issues.
You can get these OEM pans to fit in your Chevelle; 1) 4th Gen F-Body, 2) CTS-V, 3) LH8 (aka GM Muscle Car Pan) and most Truck pans to fit in your Chevelle. They all come with some fitment issue can be an issue that can be resolved by altering your plate, mounts and stands.
The 4th Gen F-Body is a very tight fit. about 3/8"-1/2" between both the pan / x-member and the right side head and firewall.
The CTS-V pan would require you to raise the engine up a bit, both the pan and the depth of the lower sump are issues that would cause you to rasie the engine up.
The LH8 and Truck pan will hang pretty low and not recommened unless chopping off the bottom of the pan to deal with ground clearance issues.
You might want to check out my build thread. I just attempted to put a GM Musclecar pan in my 1971 Chevelle with the "standard" location engine mounts.
It would work great, but the motor mounts would need spaced up a little bit. The oil pan hit the crossmember before the mounts were down far enough to seat in their proper location. If you want to space the mounts up, then this would be a great alternative actually. You can even see from my measurements that the pan only hangs down approx 2" or less below the crossmember - very similar to a normal deep SBC/BBC pan would.
With all of this taken into consideration, I am now going with the Champ Pan. Based on what I have seen, it looks to be about the best option for someone wanting to use the "standard" location mounts.
My Champ pan should be here early next week. If I can get it mounted and a test-fit for the car, I will be sure to post up pics ASAP so you can see them.
Troy
It would work great, but the motor mounts would need spaced up a little bit. The oil pan hit the crossmember before the mounts were down far enough to seat in their proper location. If you want to space the mounts up, then this would be a great alternative actually. You can even see from my measurements that the pan only hangs down approx 2" or less below the crossmember - very similar to a normal deep SBC/BBC pan would.
With all of this taken into consideration, I am now going with the Champ Pan. Based on what I have seen, it looks to be about the best option for someone wanting to use the "standard" location mounts.
My Champ pan should be here early next week. If I can get it mounted and a test-fit for the car, I will be sure to post up pics ASAP so you can see them.
Troy
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I read the and looked at the pictures in the oil pan sticky but it didn't answer my questions. I was hoping to find some one to sell me used one cheap. I am willing to mod the car frame, the car is nothing special so mods won't hurt the value. Hoping someone has an extra they are willing to work a deal on.
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Some have had good results with the MAST pan or the Holley pan. I am waiting on the new Street and Performance cast pan that is due to be released this week or next. I have spoken with Mark from S&P. I haven't checked back with him in a couple of weeks, but he said it should solve a lot of clearance issues.
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If you plan to lower your chevelle, stay away from the lh8, or gmpp muscle car pan. They hang too low, unless you raise the engine up, and that opens up a whole other can of worms. (driveline angle, cog, tranny tunnell clearance, etc.) I like the Holley pan. It's a kit, which means you get the dipstick, gasket, pickup tube, and fasteners, just like the gmpp kit, but it does not hang nearly as low. It will cost a couple hundred more, but it's worth it for the fit, in a lowered application.
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I have about 4" of clearance now with the BBC, so assuming the 4.8 weighs several hundred less (The BBC head probably weighs what the 4.8 block weighs- lol) so the car should raise a couple inches. At this point I am still looking for parts. I feel like I will never get started other than collecting parts.
If your using the standard plate.. I would say no to the CTS-V.. The transition between the front sump and rear sump is the area that well come into contact with the Crossmember. Front what I saw on my setup.. you have to raise the engine some and move it rearward to get it to clear.
If your just trying to bolt in without any modification. you need to use a complete kit (Holley, Hooker, S&P, BRP) and use what they recommend. Any mix and matching, you well end out doing some modification, stick with one vendor or manufactor.
If you want a cast pan. Go with either the MAST or Holley. You well avoid many problems and well be compatiable with most kits.
Don't worry, you well get on to the swap in time..
BC
If your just trying to bolt in without any modification. you need to use a complete kit (Holley, Hooker, S&P, BRP) and use what they recommend. Any mix and matching, you well end out doing some modification, stick with one vendor or manufactor.
If you want a cast pan. Go with either the MAST or Holley. You well avoid many problems and well be compatiable with most kits.
Don't worry, you well get on to the swap in time..
BC
I have the lh8 pan in my 71. it does hang a little low with the BRP mounts, I had to add a deflector plate under my crossmember just in case and Iv hit a couple times. I have Eibach 1" springs all the way around. Im doing the same set up in my 66 and got the HOLLEY PAN, and it DOESN'T come with a dipstick, I also got it with the Holley/hooker stk mounts. I'll test fit it in a couple weeks....
Rick
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I have a CTS-V pan new in the box with windage tray, dipstick and tube I can sell.
I ended up using a Autokraft pan for better baffles and slightly easier to modify tie rod clearance on my 66.
Shoot me a PM if you are interested.
I ended up using a Autokraft pan for better baffles and slightly easier to modify tie rod clearance on my 66.
Shoot me a PM if you are interested.
Here is a picture of my Chevelle with CTS-V pan.. Looks nice and clean !.. well it doesn't stay that way long, I've had to scrap road junk off and Asphalt from larger speed bump.. !
Hope it helps..(didn't I post this before for you !?)
BC
Hope it helps..(didn't I post this before for you !?)
BC
I just ordered standard location mounts (Holley) Holley oil pan, hooker headers and Energy suspension tall motor mounts, should be here this week so i can tell you in a few weeks how this combo works out.
