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Old 10-29-2006, 09:24 PM
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if i am going to go nitrous i need a nitrous converter..so if on yanks website i get a nitrous 3600 it will flash to roughly 3600 on spray right? but i'm not going to nitrous for awhile (atleast thats the plan) and want a converter that will work really well n/a. What size nitrous stall will be close to a regular yank 3600?

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hmm...Good question, what is the difference between a nitrous stall and a n/a stall? I would think that if it stalls to 3600, it stalls to 3600 on or off the spray, how would the t/c know if your spraying or not? So just get the yank, right?
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Nitrous converters have a billet front cover, most have more than one lock-up clutch, and some like the extreme converters have six mounting bolts instead of 3.
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Originally Posted by jpat1023
hmm...Good question, what is the difference between a nitrous stall and a n/a stall? I would think that if it stalls to 3600, it stalls to 3600 on or off the spray, how would the t/c know if your spraying or not? So just get the yank, right?
Stall rating is based on engine torque output. If engine torque is signifigantly higher, such as on the hose, you converter will flash signifigantly higher. Thus the reason people who use N20 alot go with a little lower stall speed than a pure NA setup.
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Originally Posted by Joel_SS
Stall rating is based on engine torque output. If engine torque is signifigantly higher, such as on the hose, you converter will flash signifigantly higher. Thus the reason people who use N20 alot go with a little lower stall speed than a pure NA setup.
alright so it sounds like im correct in my assumption...that a 3600 yank nitrous converter will not perform the same as a normal yank 3600 on a N/A setup. so if i got a say 4000 nitrous converter it will work alot better with a N/a setup and also with my nitrous setup...ANY suggestions??
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ttt for an answer
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I would go no bigger than a 3200 n2o verter because it will actually feel bigger when spraying!
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well if i do spray it will be mostly at the track so i dont mind more...but on he street N/A is MUCH more important to me
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ill give you a bump magnet, im interested in this as well. Ive heard people talk about using something called anti-ballooning plates with tci stalls for n2o. Im looking into an n2o stall as well because i dont want to thrash my tranny with a 150 shot and i dont want the n2o to go straight through the stall.
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thanks for the bump..heres another one b/c noone is answering
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Originally Posted by Magnet
So if i got a say 4000 nitrous converter it will work alot better with a N/A setup and also with my nitrous setup...ANY suggestions??
I spoke w/ Dave @ Yank at length about this very question yesterday. He reccomended that I went with the SS4000 for my application, which is pretty simialr to yours. I'd call him and see what he thinks. He helped me out greatly and seems interested in helping anyone out.
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the difference B/T a nitrous TC and a regualar TC, is that on a nitrous TC has an anti balloning plate so that when you hit the verter with all this power from out of nowhere it doesn't get warped and get thrown to ****. and a regualr TC doesn't come with the anti balloning plate but can still take a 100 shot hit of nitrous. really you only need the anti balloning plate if you're going to be running 200 and higher, but im going to be running 150 shot and im going to play it safe and get the nitrous verter.
Hope this help and answers your question
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Originally Posted by bjamick
the difference B/T a nitrous TC and a regualar TC, is that on a nitrous TC has an anti balloning plate so that when you hit the verter with all this power from out of nowhere it doesn't get warped and get thrown to ****. and a regualr TC doesn't come with the anti balloning plate but can still take a 100 shot hit of nitrous. really you only need the anti balloning plate if you're going to be running 200 and higher, but im going to be running 150 shot and im going to play it safe and get the nitrous verter.
Hope this help and answers your question
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So basically your saying that a regular converter will be fine as long as you dont go over a 200 shot? I probably wont be racing the car but 2-4 times a month but when i do i will be spraying. So the anti ballooning plates only protect the T/C not the tranny at all? thanks for all the info.
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once you balloon a conveter its junk , get the right one for your intended use
Nitrous, sudden shock in drivetrain = needs anti ballooning converter . an extra 100 hp can **** up stock **** quick . what do I know, I own a six speed
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but i have also been told that with a normal non-nitrous converter you will spray through it, so i don't want to do that. i know they are built tougher so they don't fly apart also, but i don't wnat my nitrous to blow through the converter. I also hear that since you have so much tourque n nitrou it will stall alot higher than normal
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I also spoke with Dave at Yank and he aid I'd be able to spray a 150 shot on my SS4000 with no problems as long as I set my shift points at 6800 or so.
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Originally Posted by Detroitmuscle
I also spoke with Dave at Yank and he aid I'd be able to spray a 150 shot on my SS4000 with no problems as long as I set my shift points at 6800 or so.
You wont be shifting long putting the stock short block through 6800 rpms shifts and N20.
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Originally Posted by Joel_SS
You wont be shifting long putting the stock short block through 6800 rpms shifts and N20.
yea i saw 6800rpm and was like what?!?!? i agree with you.
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Originally Posted by Magnet
but i have also been told that with a normal non-nitrous converter you will spray through it, so i don't want to do that. i know they are built tougher so they don't fly apart also, but i don't wnat my nitrous to blow through the converter. I also hear that since you have so much tourque n nitrou it will stall alot higher than normal
damn man, we cant seem to get any clear answers here haha. It makes perfect sense that with n2o your stall will flash to a higher rpm because i know a guy who has a yank ss 3600 with a g5x3 cam and his converter flashes to i beleive around 4000ish now. So why wouldnt it with a shot of n2o?
And not to make your decision harder but, i read a post on here somewhere where someone didnt like the yank nitrous T/C very much because when they were trying to make all motor passes they said the T/C was way too tight to cut a good '60ft. but i think the t/c may have had a low str or something along those lines.
And my last questions i promise, I assume a regular stall will flash higer with n2o but would a stall made for n2o still flash higher? or would it not affect it because of the anti-ballooning plates?
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i also saw that post and with my limited knowledge, i think the problem was that he had like a 3000 nitrous converter or something and since it was a nitrous converter it probably only flashed like 2400 or so N/A therefore not giving very good 60's...again this is all speculation based on my (very) limited knowledge



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