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Old 06-26-2012, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sax1031
Hard to say.

A 2011/12 GT500 with slicks and skinnies has run 11.16 @ 124 mph.

I do believe when the weather gets cooler and at a fast track you will see a ZL1 stock run 11.8s-11.9s at 120-122mph.
Cool, very insightful thank you.
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Originally Posted by 89ThirdGenCamaro3310
Just curious, Camaro5 member got 11.4@120.88 with slicks and skinnies(rest bone stock), where would you put him at with stock tires? Some members here say a good half second, just want to know your thoughts on this.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219801
Edit**DA -600(possibly, dont quote me on that DA), automatic trans(verified).
I used the DA calculator and got -1100; it was around THIRTY-THREE degrees with a 600ft elevation track. 120.88mph on what was a hero run is not impressive at all, and I doubt anyone is going to run any better than that.
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^^^ how did you come up with those numbers?
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Online DA calculator that lists every drag track in the US with temperatures for every hour, not out of my *** like the nutswinggers tend to do.

8:54am that date-
33.1deg, 54% humidity, 30.17 pressure with a track elevation of 603ft comes out to a DA of -1249'
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Originally Posted by gocartone
I used the DA calculator and got -1100; it was around THIRTY-THREE degrees with a 600ft elevation track. 120.88mph on what was a hero run is not impressive at all, and I doubt anyone is going to run any better than that.
Wouldnt the corrected SL run look like 11.553 @ 119.691 MPH?
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Originally Posted by firebird99
^^^ how did you come up with those numbers?
http://www.dragtimes.com/da-density-...calculator.php
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Originally Posted by 89ThirdGenCamaro3310
Wouldnt the corrected SL run look like 11.553 @ 119.691 MPH?
I wouldn't count on their correction to work great, and that's being corrected to a DA of 0 which is also really good air. Either way, I don't see anything higher than a 122 trap with a manual ever happening, which is a ways behind the 2011/2012 GT500.
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Originally Posted by firebird99
Does anyone know what the conditions (temp,elevation,etc) where when GM did their 11.9x run?
I believe it was down south (Georgia, South Carolina?) some time in late April/May perhaps.
Probably not the best of air conditions/density altitude, but not the worst either?





Originally Posted by Sax1031
my favorite part is, "the team knocked about a tenth of a second off those numbers with the Mickey Thompson drag tires."

I can't believe people actually believe that bullcrap.
On the manual car you might have a point, but on the automatic/6L90 car the drag radials could possibly even hurt it's 1/4 mile time in stock trim with stock tuning (as I'd already mentioned above). A mere tenth is totally believable in my opinion.
I gained less than half a tenth going from stock 19" street tires (300 treadwear Goodyear F1 GSs that weren't even as sticky as the stock ZL1 tires by the way) to drag radials in my otherwise stock Corvette in the same conditions. It wasn't until I had a few bolt ons/tuning/torque management removal that I was truly able to utilize the advantages of the drag radials.
Mustangs (especially manual ones) are probably a little different (better?) when it comes to tuning/torque management limitations.
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Originally Posted by Sax1031
I do believe when the weather gets cooler and at a fast track you will see a ZL1 stock run 11.8s-11.9s at 120-122mph.
I'm thinking maybe just a little quicker than that even. If GM's 11.9x numbers are correct (and I believe they are telling the truth) and based on the 'average' air/track conditions that I think they ran in, then in (well driven) private hands at a Houston Raceway Park or an MIR on a great fall/winter day or night we could see as low as 11.6s and 123mph bone stock.

Of course on that same day/night a well driven stock 2013 GT500 would probably put down 11.2s/11.1s at over 130mph.





Originally Posted by gocartone
Either way, I don't see anything higher than a 122 trap with a manual ever happening
You may be correct, I think 122 or 123 is the upper limit for a bone stock ZL1 on an all out perfect ('hero') pass.
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Fastest trap speed so far for a stock ZL1 119mph, stock for stock isnt this slightly faster than the 2012 GT500?

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Originally Posted by 89ThirdGenCamaro3310
Thank you sir.
Originally Posted by gocartone
I wouldn't count on their correction to work great, and that's being corrected to a DA of 0 which is also really good air. Either way, I don't see anything higher than a 122 trap with a manual ever happening, which is a ways behind the 2011/2012 GT500.
Why go through the effort to find out the conditions of the track if your not going to accept its corrected run times and mph?
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Originally Posted by 89ThirdGenCamaro3310
Wouldnt the corrected SL run look like 11.553 @ 119.691 MPH?
here we go with "corrected" again. corrected is bullshit. the time on your slip is the time you ran.
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Originally Posted by LS1LT1
I believe it was down south (Georgia, South Carolina?) some time in late April/May perhaps.
Probably not the best of air conditions/density altitude, but not the worst either?





On the manual car you might have a point, but on the automatic/6L90 car the drag radials could possibly even hurt it's 1/4 mile time in stock trim with stock tuning (as I'd already mentioned above). A mere tenth is totally believable in my opinion.
I gained less than half a tenth going from stock 19" street tires (300 treadwear Goodyear F1 GSs that weren't even as sticky as the stock ZL1 tires by the way) to drag radials in my otherwise stock Corvette in the same conditions. It wasn't until I had a few bolt ons/tuning/torque management removal that I was truly able to utilize the advantages of the drag radials.
Mustangs (especially manual ones) are probably a little different (better?) when it comes to tuning/torque management limitations.
perchance were they at the same place that the shelby was tested?
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Originally Posted by gocartone
I used the DA calculator and got -1100; it was around THIRTY-THREE degrees with a 600ft elevation track. 120.88mph on what was a hero run is not impressive at all, and I doubt anyone is going to run any better than that.
Wow conditions don't get much better. You're right I think; it's not likely we'll see much quicker than 122, maybe a 123
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
here we go with "corrected" again. corrected is bullshit. the time on your slip is the time you ran.
Agreed.
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Originally Posted by firebird99


Why go through the effort to find out the conditions of the track if your not going to accept its corrected run times and mph?
Originally Posted by firebird99
Agreed.
??? You're the one bringing up corrected times then you agree they don't mean anything?
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it was 89thirdgen that brought up the corrected time ****.
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Originally Posted by 1ltcap
it was 89thirdgen that brought up the corrected time ****.
See quote
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Originally Posted by 89ThirdGenCamaro3310
Fastest trap speed so far for a stock ZL1 119mph, stock for stock isnt this slightly faster than the 2012 GT500?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEqvB...eature=related
No. Several stock pre 13 GT500s have gone 120+
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Originally Posted by 88blackgt
See quote
LOLOLOLOL

i didn't realize that was in the quote area.


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