D3VIL

Yea it's really unfortunate, that this forum looks so down upon these fantastic cars.

The best the GT500 has done(as far as I've read) in stock form with stock tires is 11.6 and the best I've read from the ZL1 is 11.9. That's really not bad for the Camaro!

I think this is what was going on on the svt forums all through out the 90's and the 2000's when GM was winning. NO it's your fault! No It's your fault lol Everybody always wants something to blame and .3 seconds slower BUT a much better corner performance is a give and take.... But it's also $8k more... wouldn't it be fair to say what can you accomplish for those extra $8k?

89ThirdGenCamaro3310

Haters dont care that the underdog ZL1 is only 3 tenths slower(1/4 mile) and 8,000$ cheaper, because then they say "well the trap speed blows too", or that a handicapped car with 80 less hp and 4200lbs overweight can still out handle the lighter more powerful Mustang. Haters are going to hate either way. They always find an excuse to pick at. Honestly im not a huge fan of the ZL1 for personal reasons. But i do get tired of people bashing a car that is obviously selling to customers. I admire cars for the engineering ingenuity and effort put into them than something like brand loyalty. Guess im just a sucker for defending an underdog. I actually really like the 2013 GT500, excellent execution on Fords behalf.

89ThirdGenCamaro3310

Actually the GT500 only beats the ZL1 by 3 tenths in the 1/4 not 5(2 verifiable sources). So the GT500 with 100whp more and 300+lbs lighter and an additional 8,000$ "Track pack" failed to out handle the ZL1 by 7 tenths and only beats it in the 1/4 mile by 3 tenths. Like i said before the disparity between the 2 cars is clouded by brand loyalty and fanboyism.

firebird99

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$8,000 can cloud alot of peoples judgement and I'm sure some people that buy these cars "just because there cool" with no brand loyalty could be swayed by a 8,000 since that will offset alot of things.

Heater

If the roles were reversed and the ZL1 was the faster 1/4 mile car and the GT500 was faster on a road course, I don't think too many on here would give two ***** about what a car did on a road course. All the bragging would be how much faster the ZL1 is in the 1/4 and how it could 200 mph while avoiding the gas guzzler tax.

MeentSS02

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This is where you are wrong...there are no LS1Tech members that go around citing heavily biased internet automotive magazine articles that just so happen to play to their preferred brand loyalties, and proceed to call it the official comparison in their signature line. That just doesn't happen on here.

evolve

lmao. ZL1 for cornering (we all know how many of us take those high speed corners...) and GT500 in strait line. I did notice the 11mph difference between the two

zz4camaro1980

Dont know if anyone posted it yet...
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews..._shelby_gt500/

1ltcap

remember that test driver was VERY biased, according to his own words.

88blackgt

The same day results are .5. That 11.9 was with drag radials. Get a grip.

So much butthurt and crying, you guys sound like Al

evolve

Fixed.

1ltcap

picture this. you win a road race by .276 of a second. may as well call that .3 of a second. seems like a lot, doesn't it?

it's not. the second place car was nearly on the winners bumper at that .3 interval. so now, if you double that, pluse a little, you're gonna be maybe a half a car length, one at most. basically in striking distance.

so.......7 isn't anything to be bragging about on a track that size.

ss1129

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Show me one race thats only 2 miles long. Say on a 25 lap race the gt500 drops to 17 seconds behind, which incase you dont watch racing, is significant. Still waiting on the Nurburgring times as well. Everyone knows Ford had the car there.

1ltcap

there's quite a few 2 to 2.5 mile tracks out there.

it never works out like you're thinking though. i watch enough of them to see that.

MeentSS02

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Well, since we are talking about this article from Automobile Mag, why don't we look at their results?

.6 seconds and 10.5 mph. But like they said, drag racing is about more than time slips. I'm not sure what else it is about, but since they printed it in their article, it must be true. Maybe it's about how cool you look while doing it?

ss1129

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Im not saying there isnt, Im saying what race is only 1 lap long? I havent seen any.

1ltcap

NO.... a lot of them are done by a set time. the number of laps is determined by avg speed, and cautions.
but there's almost never a car that just constantly opens up a lead.

ss1129

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When you are racing purposly built race cars yeah they all hang. Im saying if THESE two cars raced head to head on that partictular track, the lead would grow and grow. He said .7 isnt a big deal. All Im saying is that .7 multiplies itself every lap.

88blackgt

Stop that, you're making too much sense

You probably won't ever see the Ring times; it doesn't make sense for Ford to publicize them. This is all beyond the fact that comparing Ring times is nothing more than a marketing tool and means nothing for car comparison. Sorry you bought into the hype

Don't take my word for it though, here is a great explanation. Every time someone brings up "Ring times" it proves how clueless they are

http://www.speedsportlife.com/2008/1...itter-porsche/

thunderstruck507

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I think tech is the only car forum I am on where everyone acts like they never like to drive on curvy backroads. Is there seriously no one else on here who enjoys hard cornering in their car as much if not more than straight line punches? It has to be the 2 ton 40 year old boat from the 70s?

BTW I'm sure the GT500 is just as fun at that too but that's not the point so much as people on here acting like their fbody/mustangs have never taken a turn under throttle.

There sure are a lot of roads out there to play on that aren't straight...