Marc 85Z28

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PI swap with cams and 125 shot = full bolt ons?

CameronVic

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It was a PI motor, not a PI swap. Edlebrock victor JR intake, 6061 intake elbow, 75mm accufab TB, stainless works LT headers, and underdrives. I'm pretty sure that would quantify the "full bolt on" statement.

Marc 85Z28

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An engine swap with aftermarket cams AND nitrous is not a full bolt on car, by anyone's definition. If that were the case, a turbo LS swap would still be a bolt on Crown Vic

RATBOX

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Sounds like a bolt-on car to me.

AutoRoc

Bolt on Bolt on bolt on!!

Killer build. I has a 98 vic that I wanted to do this to. It had marauder rims, IAS shocks, tint and a decent stereo setup, all it needed was more power to be a perfect people hauler!! Now I want to do a 94-96 Impalla LS swap. I think both would be great daily drivers.

CameronVic

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I guess you can't read. We'll agree to disagree.

Rick Speed

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I've been considering this swap as well. I have a 2004 B/W Vic. What are you guys doing for gauges. I'd rather keep the factory ones if they will work.

CameronVic

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This is how I did mine. I just use an app on my smartphone for the MPH. I know there's a member on here with a 6.0 and a 76mm in a 1997 vic that he made all the stock stuff work with the 6.0 and 4L80E.

Rick Speed

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Actually something like that looks cool but I wouldn't want to spend that much money lol. And I too would be doing a turbo

CameronVic

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It really wasn't that much. Excluding the wideband, I've got like $200 -$250 in gauges. The one on the bottom middle below the shift light/ wideband is an electrical oil pressure gauge, used as a fuel pressure gauge. $25 from harbor freight, had a 40% off coupon, and then they gave me another discount or something. Ended up paying like $8 for that gauge and sending unit! Lets see you find an electronic fuel pressure gauge brand new for anything under $100!

Marc 85Z28

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I can read just fine.

Your mods:

03 PI motor from MGM
AFE intake cone with modded heat shield to house bigger MAF.
80mm MAF from Kenny Brown's MM (Ask Lonnie what I mean)
04 CVPI zip tube
75mm Accufab TB
P&P accufab plenum
Edlebrock Victor JR intake with rear cooling mod
Hitech Stage 2 cams
Stainless works LT headers
39lb injectors (fuel rails from 94 LTC)
9.5" Edge Racing Converter with 3500 Stall
JMOD.. BY ME!! U-haul trans fluid pan
EGR, DPFE, EGR position sensor, EVAP purge delete.
Zex wet N2O kit with 125 shot
Ud pulleys with 1" shorter Gatorback belt
MMC driveshaft (stock for MY 2000 FTMFW!)
Heinous rear control arms
All new Moog front end
255/50-16 MT ET streets for the track
90 degree turns by fuel filter delete (Fuel filter Mod)
High flow Steeda fuel filter
255LPH Walbro fuel pump
2.5" mandrel bent exhaust with merged X pipe.
2.5" Dynomax Ultra Flow mufflers with turn down tips.
Autometer Wideband A/F gauge
Edlebrock IAS shocks

For the last time, an engine swap with aftermarket cams and nitrous ISN'T a bolt-on car.

96gt4.6

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Using the stock Gauges isn't too difficult, however your year of Panther is much more difficult unfortunately. Up until '97 the gauge cluster operated very simply, each sending was wired directly from the engine to the cluster. So, you simply used the Ford sending units on the LS engine. The speedo is the only other issue as Ford uses an Analog Signal, and the LS PCM has a Digital speed signal output. It requires an $80 signal converter box from Dakota Digital.

I'm not for sure what year exactly without looking, but from early '00 or so onward, things get much more difficult. On those newer Panther's, the insturment cluster received all the engine data via the CAN network from the PCM. I have read where people have suggested leaving the stock Ford ECU up and running, and then using the stock Ford sending units on the LS motor still, this way the Ford ECU still sends the data to the Cluster. However, there will be side effects from this such as a check engine light, possible ABS light, Tach inop?

In this case, further research is definately a must. I'm sure it can be done, but how easily and cheaply, idk. I would think it would almost certainly be easier to do what Cameron has done in that situation vs. keeping the stock insturmentation.

Here is a vid of my '97:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgaNsEJ4-E0

CameronVic

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thanks for clearing that up, and since its "the last time", I'll clear it up and say "it was a bolt on car".

I replaced the engine because the original NPI motor started chugging oil. And ask anyone in the modular world and they'll tell you cams is a bolt on. I didnt have 4 kits, it was a janky zex all in one box with 3 wires, and the solenoids would only flow a 150 shot.

No ported heads, Lenco trans, or 9". It was a 2003 mercury grand marquis motor with some used cams. And it seems like you're the only one in the thread saying it wasn't a bolt on car. No reason to get buttsore.

Orbitorange

Cams are literally a "bolt on" with the ford modular engines! They bolt down on top of the heads!

gofastwclass

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Congrats! Long live the sleepers!!!

Rick Speed

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Not trying to stir the pot but bolt ons is anything on the exterior of the engine. Once you've taken the valve covers off and start doing internal work its no longer considered bolt on.

CameronVic

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So why post? Lol. So if I replaced my valve covers, that wouldn't be a bolt on since according to you, once a valve cover is removed, so is the "bolt on car" classification? Just trying to get on the same page as the "bolt on car classification committee".

PontiacPOWA

Who cares about what it WAS lets focus on what it IS. And it IS highly bad ***! I wouldn't mind a turbo LS crown vic, but i would never be able to get a race by me haha. Really cool swap man good work.

CameronVic

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Thanks for getting he thread back on track man! It's a blast to drive. If I'm at 60mph or below in 2nd gear and I lean into it, it just blows the tires off! I have faith my trusty, nearly 2 year old 255/50-16 MT ET street radials along with my super duper comp engineering 3 way adjustables will get the job done at the track once I get these 60's down!

96IMPPUSHA

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Agreed! I love driving my 96 Impala and the LS swap is begining this winter.