Going to try 26" tire insted of 28".
02-11-2010, 04:23 PM
#21
I'm from the club that says go with more tire than you need (particularly in a bracket race), and match the tire / redline via the appropriate gear.
If you run tire limited class guess you can't go w/ more tire than you need.
I love watching these big tire cars that run in the 10's with open headers. I think to myself "what a waste".
If you run tire limited class guess you can't go w/ more tire than you need.
I love watching these big tire cars that run in the 10's with open headers. I think to myself "what a waste".
02-11-2010, 04:37 PM
#22
02-12-2010, 10:21 AM
#25
Heck, I thought he was smoking something. Just beer, huh? 
Usually, when somebody doesn't know a whole lot about drag racing, they would look at a ten second car with big tires and ask themselves "Wonder why they do that?", instead of "what a waste". I remember being in my twenties though, when I thought I had all this stuff figured out. Before I hit forty I realized I would likely never have it all figured out. I'm 66 now, and I KNOW I'll never figure it all out.
I do know ten second Super Stock cars and bracket racers use big tires so they can always hook the same no matter what track prep and starting line temps are like.
I use 10.5 X 30" radials becasue they are faster (on really good, cool tracks the 9" X 30" radials are still faster) than the bigger tires, but on some tracks the guys I race with big tires can still run the same times, when I'm having trouble spinning the tires. Many times I've wished I had mine back halved so I could put some bigger tires under it.
Super Stock (some of those dumb-assed ten second big tire cars) use torque converters that hit the tires a lot harder than what most of you guys use (according to your on line "polls") which makes for much better 60' times, but are much tougher to hook. Trans brakes hit harder so are tougher to hook also. Go to an NHRA race, walk through the Super Stock pit areas and count how many fast cars use your brand torque converter.
Usually, when somebody doesn't know a whole lot about drag racing, they would look at a ten second car with big tires and ask themselves "Wonder why they do that?", instead of "what a waste". I remember being in my twenties though, when I thought I had all this stuff figured out. Before I hit forty I realized I would likely never have it all figured out. I'm 66 now, and I KNOW I'll never figure it all out.
I do know ten second Super Stock cars and bracket racers use big tires so they can always hook the same no matter what track prep and starting line temps are like.
I use 10.5 X 30" radials becasue they are faster (on really good, cool tracks the 9" X 30" radials are still faster) than the bigger tires, but on some tracks the guys I race with big tires can still run the same times, when I'm having trouble spinning the tires. Many times I've wished I had mine back halved so I could put some bigger tires under it.
Super Stock (some of those dumb-assed ten second big tire cars) use torque converters that hit the tires a lot harder than what most of you guys use (according to your on line "polls") which makes for much better 60' times, but are much tougher to hook. Trans brakes hit harder so are tougher to hook also. Go to an NHRA race, walk through the Super Stock pit areas and count how many fast cars use your brand torque converter.
02-12-2010, 11:55 AM
#26
Heck, I thought he was smoking something. Just beer, huh?
Usually, when somebody doesn't know a whole lot about drag racing, they would look at a ten second car with big tires and ask themselves "Wonder why they do that?", instead of "what a waste". I remember being in my twenties though, when I thought I had all this stuff figured out. Before I hit forty I realized I would likely never have it all figured out. I'm 66 now, and I KNOW I'll never figure it all out.
I do know ten second Super Stock cars and bracket racers use big tires so they can always hook the same no matter what track prep and starting line temps are like.
I use 10.5 X 30" radials becasue they are faster (on really good, cool tracks the 9" X 30" radials are still faster) than the bigger tires, but on some tracks the guys I race with big tires can still run the same times, when I'm having trouble spinning the tires. Many times I've wished I had mine back halved so I could put some bigger tires under it.
Super Stock (some of those dumb-assed ten second big tire cars) use torque converters that hit the tires a lot harder than what most of you guys use (according to your on line "polls") which makes for much better 60' times, but are much tougher to hook. Trans brakes hit harder so are tougher to hook also. Go to an NHRA race, walk through the Super Stock pit areas and count how many fast cars use your brand torque converter.
Usually, when somebody doesn't know a whole lot about drag racing, they would look at a ten second car with big tires and ask themselves "Wonder why they do that?", instead of "what a waste". I remember being in my twenties though, when I thought I had all this stuff figured out. Before I hit forty I realized I would likely never have it all figured out. I'm 66 now, and I KNOW I'll never figure it all out.
I do know ten second Super Stock cars and bracket racers use big tires so they can always hook the same no matter what track prep and starting line temps are like.
I use 10.5 X 30" radials becasue they are faster (on really good, cool tracks the 9" X 30" radials are still faster) than the bigger tires, but on some tracks the guys I race with big tires can still run the same times, when I'm having trouble spinning the tires. Many times I've wished I had mine back halved so I could put some bigger tires under it.
Super Stock (some of those dumb-assed ten second big tire cars) use torque converters that hit the tires a lot harder than what most of you guys use (according to your on line "polls") which makes for much better 60' times, but are much tougher to hook. Trans brakes hit harder so are tougher to hook also. Go to an NHRA race, walk through the Super Stock pit areas and count how many fast cars use your brand torque converter.
02-12-2010, 03:02 PM
#29
Getting away from the previous comments. This is my opinion.....
I have run on a set of 26" tall ET Drags. They were a set borrowed from TheChef. They work awesome compared to different drag radials that I have used previous. IMO and of JL's, it was due to the car race weight(high), a M6 Trans, and the need for the side wall give in the Bias Ply.
The tire work in these parameters well since I was making around 385 rwhp. BUT the car worked so well it needed a drag bar and shocks (since which I have purchased and put on).
The advantage of a 26" tall tire IMO is for street cars that want to go after a number at the track and while though it is not the most optimal set up, people LIKE ME do that. My Street car is def more "racey" then the average street car but I can run the same 4.10 gear and not fear for it being "knocked down" to a different ratio due to th 2" difference. So off the line it will help.
DEPENDING on power level, suspension, race weight, drive line etc etc, tire requirements change and I agree, put the biggest tire the class allows in there and if you CAN get away with a radial, all the better.
So in closing, if people with street cars who want to race but do not want to run a 4.30+ gear ratio or run that ratio and have to run on a 28" tall tire all the time. The 26" Biasplys is a reasonable alternative.
Just remember, all cars are different and all cars may need a different tire. The 26" tall tire does close the safe window where successful runs will be come less and less. On a shitty track your probably going to be blowing the tires off more and thats not even getting into difference in the compounds of Drag Radials, ET Streets, and ET Drags.
I have run on a set of 26" tall ET Drags. They were a set borrowed from TheChef. They work awesome compared to different drag radials that I have used previous. IMO and of JL's, it was due to the car race weight(high), a M6 Trans, and the need for the side wall give in the Bias Ply.
The tire work in these parameters well since I was making around 385 rwhp. BUT the car worked so well it needed a drag bar and shocks (since which I have purchased and put on).
The advantage of a 26" tall tire IMO is for street cars that want to go after a number at the track and while though it is not the most optimal set up, people LIKE ME do that. My Street car is def more "racey" then the average street car but I can run the same 4.10 gear and not fear for it being "knocked down" to a different ratio due to th 2" difference. So off the line it will help.
DEPENDING on power level, suspension, race weight, drive line etc etc, tire requirements change and I agree, put the biggest tire the class allows in there and if you CAN get away with a radial, all the better.
So in closing, if people with street cars who want to race but do not want to run a 4.30+ gear ratio or run that ratio and have to run on a 28" tall tire all the time. The 26" Biasplys is a reasonable alternative.
Just remember, all cars are different and all cars may need a different tire. The 26" tall tire does close the safe window where successful runs will be come less and less. On a shitty track your probably going to be blowing the tires off more and thats not even getting into difference in the compounds of Drag Radials, ET Streets, and ET Drags.
02-12-2010, 04:24 PM
#31
ed,Yes a 1.42 is good in a street trim m6,3,700lbs car. I can daily drive the car.I can run top end down the highway and get over 20mi per gal with heat,power everything,leather int,,ect.Can the out law's do that.....NO. My car is a street car that runs 10's N/A. My boys car pro style does 1.2's. Should I compare my car to that one....NO Stick around,My new set up this year should net me 1.3's in a street car.
02-12-2010, 04:30 PM
#32
ed,Yes a 1.42 is good in a street trim m6,3,700lbs car. I can daily drive the car.I can run top end down the highway and get over 20mi per gal with heat,power everything,leather int,,ect.Can the out law's do that.....NO. My car is a street car that runs 10's N/A. My boys car pro style does 1.2's. Should I compare my car to that one....NO Stick around,My new set up this year should net me 1.3's in a street car.
I'm shooting for mid-high 1.4Xs with 375Rwhp but I am a stalled A4 so....
02-12-2010, 11:41 PM
#34
Yes... Are you going trying to help or are you fishing?
I have a legitimate question but can't get a response from the gurus.. I would LOVE to hit some low 1.4s... Fastest to date is a 1.49. That was with stock 16s up front not tuned and in a 2000+DA. I'm sure with the current setup 1.46 is very possible. Would be cool to squeeze just a tad more out though, every little bit helps.
I have a legitimate question but can't get a response from the gurus.. I would LOVE to hit some low 1.4s... Fastest to date is a 1.49. That was with stock 16s up front not tuned and in a 2000+DA. I'm sure with the current setup 1.46 is very possible. Would be cool to squeeze just a tad more out though, every little bit helps.
02-13-2010, 08:30 AM
#35
Well for what it is worth most have seen my thread where I went from 26" ET Drags S to 28" ET Drags S and have yet to be able to get to the 1/4 mile yet due to the weather but the times in my sig were on the 26" ET Drag S.
Best 60 foot so far was 1.38 NA and 1.34 on a 75 shot of dry nitrous! As most of you know my car is a 346 CI Engine at 3,350+ lbs. with 4.10 gears and TH400. The 60 foot times above are footbrake times.
I will say the 1/8 mile testing so far with the 28" ET Drags looks like when I do get to the 1/4 mile track I may be setting new best times.
I was using the 26" ET Drag S on my car in the video in the sig! Take a look at that video and tell me a 26" tire won't hook!! But then again it is one of those slow 10 second cars!
N2
Best 60 foot so far was 1.38 NA and 1.34 on a 75 shot of dry nitrous! As most of you know my car is a 346 CI Engine at 3,350+ lbs. with 4.10 gears and TH400. The 60 foot times above are footbrake times.
I will say the 1/8 mile testing so far with the 28" ET Drags looks like when I do get to the 1/4 mile track I may be setting new best times.
I was using the 26" ET Drag S on my car in the video in the sig! Take a look at that video and tell me a 26" tire won't hook!! But then again it is one of those slow 10 second cars!
N2
02-13-2010, 09:25 AM
#36
Yes... Are you going trying to help or are you fishing?
I have a legitimate question but can't get a response from the gurus.. I would LOVE to hit some low 1.4s... Fastest to date is a 1.49. That was with stock 16s up front not tuned and in a 2000+DA. I'm sure with the current setup 1.46 is very possible. Would be cool to squeeze just a tad more out though, every little bit helps.
I have a legitimate question but can't get a response from the gurus.. I would LOVE to hit some low 1.4s... Fastest to date is a 1.49. That was with stock 16s up front not tuned and in a 2000+DA. I'm sure with the current setup 1.46 is very possible. Would be cool to squeeze just a tad more out though, every little bit helps.
Not sure what you're looking for
Time for you to pick a tire and try and make it work.
02-13-2010, 09:27 AM
#37
Best 60 foot so far was 1.38 NA and 1.34 on a 75 shot of dry nitrous! As most of you know my car is a 346 CI Engine at 3,350+ lbs. with 4.10 gears and TH400. The 60 foot times above are footbrake times.
I was using the 26" ET Drag S on my car in the video in the sig! Take a look at that video and tell me a 26" tire won't hook!! But then again it is one of those slow 10 second cars!
N2
I was using the 26" ET Drag S on my car in the video in the sig! Take a look at that video and tell me a 26" tire won't hook!! But then again it is one of those slow 10 second cars!
N2
02-13-2010, 04:20 PM
#38
I think you've gotten some decent feedback in here from guys to and against it. Guys that have had success with a smaller tire and others that went the bigger tire route and have impressive 60' times.
Not sure what you're looking for
Time for you to pick a tire and try and make it work.
Not sure what you're looking for
Time for you to pick a tire and try and make it work.
I see where N2Racing went to a 28" and said it looks like he will be setting a PB in the 1/4. What about the 1/8? That is all I run and care about.
Can anyone explain why a 28" would let you ET better than a 26" if you dead hook on both? I always thought hooking them up you would always ET better (mph less) with a shorter tire and ET worse (mph better) with a taller tire.
I'm just confused I guess! I want the best tire!!!!!!!!!!!! (I know I know.. There is no "best"!)
02-14-2010, 12:01 AM
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I picked one already!
I see where N2Racing went to a 28" and said it looks like he will be setting a PB in the 1/4. What about the 1/8? That is all I run and care about.
Can anyone explain why a 28" would let you ET better than a 26" if you dead hook on both? I always thought hooking them up you would always ET better (mph less) with a shorter tire and ET worse (mph better) with a taller tire.
I'm just confused I guess! I want the best tire!!!!!!!!!!!! (I know I know.. There is no "best"!)
I see where N2Racing went to a 28" and said it looks like he will be setting a PB in the 1/4. What about the 1/8? That is all I run and care about.
Can anyone explain why a 28" would let you ET better than a 26" if you dead hook on both? I always thought hooking them up you would always ET better (mph less) with a shorter tire and ET worse (mph better) with a taller tire.
I'm just confused I guess! I want the best tire!!!!!!!!!!!! (I know I know.. There is no "best"!)
02-14-2010, 01:09 AM
#40
Borrow some friends different tires and take them to the track and experiment. You never know until you try. I run a 16" DR that is a little over 26" height and they hook good considering my setup. Best ET and 60-ft is in the sig. Average 60-ft is 1.47 on a decent track. Raceweight is 3,560-lbs. I'm sure a 28" would do better, but I still street drive my car quite a bit.
Isn't one of the materials better, as in bias ply or whatever for A4s and M6s?