Tom the roofer

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Stock lower A-arms 13.5 lbs each.

PA racing chrome moly lower A-arms 6.5 lbs each.
The PA racing lower A-arms utilize the stock ball joint and they are a direct bolt on.

I still have the stock upper A-arms and I will eventually swap out for after market. Anyone know the weight of the upper's? new and old.

Thanks
Tom

Terry Burger

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Scott my next big mods are probably going to be an A2 (saves 60#), a Ford 9" with light weight spool, and lift bars in place of a heavy torque arm/bracket. Then I'll figure out a way to crank the HP up...

I'll keep the stock tranny and rear around for when I want to cruise in the summer. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> It's going to be hard to turn my car in to a POS racecar but I want to be competative with the slower big guns. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Jantzer98SS

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Terry you might as well just build another car if you want to put in a powerglide. That's lame for a late model street car and you know it. If you still have the pontiac then that might be cool. But jeez you still need a quick street car to cruise around and have fun. How much time do you spend at the track anyway?

How is the 396 rebuild coming along?

Btw, do you have that MMS229 cam to give to me? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Tom, thx. It's easier to take things off the car than pay $$$ to shave off 13 lbs & re-align the car.

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry you might as well just build another car if you want to put in a powerglide. That's lame for a late model street car and you know it. If you still have the pontiac then that might be cool. But jeez you still need a quick street car to cruise around and have fun. How much time do you spend at the track anyway?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't think a glide is any worse than say a TH350 or TH400, but it will be hard to drive the car around with any non-OD trannies. The problem is I don't think I can run consistent 9.7s with a 4spd, and the other issue is I don't want to spend much cash on the car right now. Maybe a $2000 1.96 1st gear Glide with a $2300 gear vendors is the answer? Maybe I take the weight and power penalty and run a 4L80E? The other issue is my engine is not built for juice, so I'd be risking it even with a 150 shot. More than likely I'll just stick with the 4L60E "for now", but if I can find a 1.76 1st gear glide/stall setup that looks like it will work for me used, I might pick it up for some TNT. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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How is the 396 rebuild coming along?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No rebuild just a cam/spring swap. The new cam is in and I think they are going to tune it today. Want the 229v2.1 for $215 shipped? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
Terry you might as well just build another car if you want to put in a powerglide. That's lame for a late model street car and you know it.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">PS like running no headlights or wipers? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Jantzer98SS

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C'mon terry I have lights & wipers. The headlights are easily removable now, but who needs em when you have foglights and headlight blackouts. I couldn't see anyway. Atleast I have brakes. Hmmm... maybe if I use rain-ex I can remove the wipers too. LOL

I'll give you $150 shipped for the cam. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> And I'll call it the TBspecial grind. Just cause you won't be as quick doesn't mean you can't have a piece of the glory. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

What are you using for heads these days anyway?

The glide has to be worse than a A3. Ever tried to peddle your single speed bike up a hill compared to a 21 speed? Tim tells me you get to work on your bike so you should get this analogy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
I'll give you $150 shipped for the cam. And I'll call it the TBspecial grind. Just cause you won't be as quick doesn't mean you can't have a piece of the glory.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">$215 is a good price I'm sure I can get $300 local if I want. How about $200 shipped and you call it "the cam formerly owned by the fastest 346 NA fbody on the Internet". <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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What are you using for heads these days anyway?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">They're LS6 stage 3s, AFAIK. I bought the motor already together so I don't really know what it looks like inside. The heads outflowed LS1 stage 3s by ~20-25cfm at some points I think.

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The glide has to be worse than a A3. Ever tried to peddle your single speed bike up a hill compared to a 21 speed? Tim tells me you get to work on your bike so you should get this analogy.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You'd think so but look at GeorgeC (a good example for me because I'm similar weight, make similar power, and have similar rear end gearing), with a 4800?rpm stall he was cutting 1.37 60's on his A2. You save 40+# over a TH350 and pick up some efficiency as well. He thinks the TH350 is worth ~.1th over a A2 if you can hook it, but you know how my tracks are. It probably all comes down to the stall. If I went that route I'd do either a yank TP4500 or call up TCI and do a 9"/4500 with them. Those trannies are so cheap I can afford to buy a A2 and a TH350 and do a back to back for myself. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Jantzer98SS

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Ok $175 shipped. Do I get the camcard too? How do I know what the cam is your sending me? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Will you take trade-in credit for my MMS 224v1? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

"the cam formerly owned by the fastest 346 NA fbody on the Internet"

...but soon to be owned by the quickest 346NA/stock shortblock and quickest to the sub 10.50's on the internet....

Street Racer

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damn I will take the cam for 200.00+ shipping if he doesnt want it <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Jantzer98SS

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The quest for a 3000lb raceweight continues....

How many lbs can I lose with aftermarket a-arms?

Terry Burger

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Scott the price is now $205 shipped. Every offer you make lower than $205 and I add $5 to the price. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Bob2of3

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The BMR upper a-arms are 3 lbs lighter than stock. They don't come with the ball joints and at the local parts store the joints were $49 each <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I wouldn't recommend the uppers unless you already have the front end apart like I did

LAter <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Jay Johnson

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I've tried out 3 different designs for lightweight
A-arms.

They are not really worth the money for the weight
savings(unless your down to shaving ounces), but
they have decent value in weight when you factor in
the good adjustability.

Losing overdrive and going to a PG is a big step
towards a track-only car, but don't forget that a
PG can really help towards knocking down street
races(generally from a stop). Run a taller gear and
taller tires and you'll find a happy median that
will be reasonably comfortable both at the track
and on the street.

The A3's and soft converters are good for doing that
too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Kinda strange to hear that a PG would be called
"lame" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> when a performance setup PG sort of
requires a sub-3000 lb car. I don't know of any
sub-3000 lb performance F-bodies that would be
considered lame. Just an observation, and more to
the point, it's just a personal preference.

Innovation and deviation from the norm is its
own reward.

Jay Johnson

Jantzer98SS

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Thanks everyone for the help.

OK Terry, $205 it is. Probably the same price you paid. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> I assume it's out of the car now. I can paypal you the $. How am I to be sure you're sending me the right cam?

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

Jantzer98SS

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Terry one more thing,

what kind of terms will you offer me. Say 10% down and lump sum payable after a year? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

CHRISPY

Terry,

Get an alum centersection with the spool in that nine inch. It will save a TON of weight <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Also I think a TH400 with brake will be very reliable for 9 seconds in your car. Even better is a TH350 built to the **** with custom lockup. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

With the TH350 with lockup you'll pick up mph at the track, can run more gear, and can lock it on the street in third. <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />
cheers,
Chris