The cost of doing it right?
05-21-2006, 12:47 AM
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The cost of doing it right? Well before I start on an epic turbo buildup I need to know what I'm getting myself into, money wise.
For a 6.0 iron block (from junkyard hopefully) + forged bottom end + massive fuel system + (stock LS6 cam, heads, intake?) + turbo(s) = How much $$$?
Could I do it for $6,000-7,000?
BTW... looking for 650+ hp
For a 6.0 iron block (from junkyard hopefully) + forged bottom end + massive fuel system + (stock LS6 cam, heads, intake?) + turbo(s) = How much $$$?
Could I do it for $6,000-7,000?
BTW... looking for 650+ hp
05-21-2006, 06:02 AM
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Procharge it and save a couple Gs and alotta headaches. You can easily get that kinda power from a procharger. Get your motor rebuilt with new rods and forged low compression pistons, and some 6.0 heads. LS6 cam and intake, fuel system, and good exaust and you should see your power goals. YOur looking at over 10Gs to do it with all new parts though. Oh and your still gonna need a drivetrain.
Or you can get a procharger and fuel system only and have a lil over 500 to the rear tires and be dead reliable.
Or you can get a procharger and fuel system only and have a lil over 500 to the rear tires and be dead reliable.
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05-21-2006, 09:02 AM
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I blew my budget all to hell. I am building it all myself too. I had around $25k to use. I am well into the $30k range with the cost of the car, parts, and everything else. Who knows. I will probably get it finished and sell it for half what i got in it to get out of debt. Its a crazy cycle.
05-21-2006, 09:13 AM
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Do you really want to know how much a twin turbo would cost you?
Let's see
$3,200: Tranny, converter, flext plate, drive shaft
$2,000: Moser 12 bolt
$2,000: suspension (shocks, tq arm, etc, etc)
Engine:
$800: Used 6.0L iron block (includes bored, blueprinted, balanced)
$3,000: Bottom end (piston, rods, etc)
$2,800: AFR 225 with 700 springs
$300: Valve Covers
$350: Cam
$530: Lifters, push rods
$1,100: Victor Jr Intake and Accufab T/B and elbow
$400: Injectors
$250: Truck headers (includes jet coating)
$1,600: 2 T-67 Turbos
$1,000: Intercooler cores (not the intercooler, just the cores)
$1,750: Fuel system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Air-2-Water system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Misc piping and fittings for intercooler
$2,000: AEM
$500: Injector driver
$400: AEM guage
$400: A/F guage
$400: Other misc Guages
I am more than likely missing a bunch of stuff. $27,000+. This does not include safety stuff - paracute, wheelie bars, roll cage, seats, belts, rims, tires, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea, Did I tell you I had this done at a shop (NOT cheap labor either
).
Only problem about starting small, is that it never, never ends.
For $6-7,000, you could - buy the 6.0L block, built pistons/rods, use stock crank, use you stock heads, get a Z06 cam and springs, long tube headers, LS6 intake, PP T/B, and for power booster: pro-charger. And don't forget to upgrade your fuel system. Tuning will be a key. If you don't get a great tuner, your build will be ****. You may, just may sneak under $10,000. Things to watch out for: "good deals". They do not happen!!!! If you do your our work, you'll be ahead, but if you are like me, added another 50% just in labor. Find a great shop to do the build. We have numerous sponsors that will give a package deal.
Things you'll need to do prior to even doing the build: converter, suspension!!! You don't have to go crazy, but you'll want to put the power to the pavement.
Also, look at upgrading your tranny and rear-end.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
David
Let's see
$3,200: Tranny, converter, flext plate, drive shaft
$2,000: Moser 12 bolt
$2,000: suspension (shocks, tq arm, etc, etc)
Engine:
$800: Used 6.0L iron block (includes bored, blueprinted, balanced)
$3,000: Bottom end (piston, rods, etc)
$2,800: AFR 225 with 700 springs
$300: Valve Covers
$350: Cam
$530: Lifters, push rods
$1,100: Victor Jr Intake and Accufab T/B and elbow
$400: Injectors
$250: Truck headers (includes jet coating)
$1,600: 2 T-67 Turbos
$1,000: Intercooler cores (not the intercooler, just the cores)
$1,750: Fuel system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Air-2-Water system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Misc piping and fittings for intercooler
$2,000: AEM
$500: Injector driver
$400: AEM guage
$400: A/F guage
$400: Other misc Guages
I am more than likely missing a bunch of stuff. $27,000+. This does not include safety stuff - paracute, wheelie bars, roll cage, seats, belts, rims, tires, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea, Did I tell you I had this done at a shop (NOT cheap labor either
).Only problem about starting small, is that it never, never ends.
For $6-7,000, you could - buy the 6.0L block, built pistons/rods, use stock crank, use you stock heads, get a Z06 cam and springs, long tube headers, LS6 intake, PP T/B, and for power booster: pro-charger. And don't forget to upgrade your fuel system. Tuning will be a key. If you don't get a great tuner, your build will be ****. You may, just may sneak under $10,000. Things to watch out for: "good deals". They do not happen!!!! If you do your our work, you'll be ahead, but if you are like me, added another 50% just in labor. Find a great shop to do the build. We have numerous sponsors that will give a package deal.
Things you'll need to do prior to even doing the build: converter, suspension!!! You don't have to go crazy, but you'll want to put the power to the pavement.
Also, look at upgrading your tranny and rear-end.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
David
05-21-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Navy David SS
Do you really want to know how much a twin turbo would cost you?
Let's see
$3,200: Tranny, converter, flext plate, drive shaft
$2,000: Moser 12 bolt
$2,000: suspension (shocks, tq arm, etc, etc)
Engine:
$800: Used 6.0L iron block (includes bored, blueprinted, balanced)
$3,000: Bottom end (piston, rods, etc)
$2,800: AFR 225 with 700 springs
$300: Valve Covers
$350: Cam
$530: Lifters, push rods
$1,100: Victor Jr Intake and Accufab T/B and elbow
$400: Injectors
$250: Truck headers (includes jet coating)
$1,600: 2 T-67 Turbos
$1,000: Intercooler cores (not the intercooler, just the cores)
$1,750: Fuel system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Air-2-Water system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Misc piping and fittings for intercooler
$2,000: AEM
$500: Injector driver
$400: AEM guage
$400: A/F guage
$400: Other misc Guages
I am more than likely missing a bunch of stuff. $27,000+. This does not include safety stuff - paracute, wheelie bars, roll cage, seats, belts, rims, tires, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea, Did I tell you I had this done at a shop (NOT cheap labor either ).
Only problem about starting small, is that it never, never ends.
For $6-7,000, you could - buy the 6.0L block, built pistons/rods, use stock crank, use you stock heads, get a Z06 cam and springs, long tube headers, LS6 intake, PP T/B, and for power booster: pro-charger. And don't forget to upgrade your fuel system. Tuning will be a key. If you don't get a great tuner, your build will be ****. You may, just may sneak under $10,000. Things to watch out for: "good deals". They do not happen!!!! If you do your our work, you'll be ahead, but if you are like me, added another 50% just in labor. Find a great shop to do the build. We have numerous sponsors that will give a package deal.
Things you'll need to do prior to even doing the build: converter, suspension!!! You don't have to go crazy, but you'll want to put the power to the pavement.
Also, look at upgrading your tranny and rear-end.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
David
Let's see
$3,200: Tranny, converter, flext plate, drive shaft
$2,000: Moser 12 bolt
$2,000: suspension (shocks, tq arm, etc, etc)
Engine:
$800: Used 6.0L iron block (includes bored, blueprinted, balanced)
$3,000: Bottom end (piston, rods, etc)
$2,800: AFR 225 with 700 springs
$300: Valve Covers
$350: Cam
$530: Lifters, push rods
$1,100: Victor Jr Intake and Accufab T/B and elbow
$400: Injectors
$250: Truck headers (includes jet coating)
$1,600: 2 T-67 Turbos
$1,000: Intercooler cores (not the intercooler, just the cores)
$1,750: Fuel system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Air-2-Water system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Misc piping and fittings for intercooler
$2,000: AEM
$500: Injector driver
$400: AEM guage
$400: A/F guage
$400: Other misc Guages
I am more than likely missing a bunch of stuff. $27,000+. This does not include safety stuff - paracute, wheelie bars, roll cage, seats, belts, rims, tires, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea, Did I tell you I had this done at a shop (NOT cheap labor either
).Only problem about starting small, is that it never, never ends.
For $6-7,000, you could - buy the 6.0L block, built pistons/rods, use stock crank, use you stock heads, get a Z06 cam and springs, long tube headers, LS6 intake, PP T/B, and for power booster: pro-charger. And don't forget to upgrade your fuel system. Tuning will be a key. If you don't get a great tuner, your build will be ****. You may, just may sneak under $10,000. Things to watch out for: "good deals". They do not happen!!!! If you do your our work, you'll be ahead, but if you are like me, added another 50% just in labor. Find a great shop to do the build. We have numerous sponsors that will give a package deal.
Things you'll need to do prior to even doing the build: converter, suspension!!! You don't have to go crazy, but you'll want to put the power to the pavement.
Also, look at upgrading your tranny and rear-end.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
David
05-21-2006, 09:50 AM
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ha ha ha im there with ya Dave.
We have spent about the same or maybe im a lil more with-out the price of the car.
And i still need wheelie bars and a chute and other little things.....
I think the last time this SAME question came up i did a little break down..... search it....
For a mild setup that around 500rwhp expect about $10K to be able to enjoy it reliably.....
im there with ya Dave.We have spent about the same or maybe im a lil more
with-out the price of the car.And i still need wheelie bars and a chute and other little things.....
I think the last time this SAME question came up i did a little break down..... search it....
For a mild setup that around 500rwhp expect about $10K to be able to enjoy it reliably.....
05-21-2006, 10:37 AM
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6-7k? Not even close!Like everyone else said, to do it RIGHT, triple that. I looked at rebuilding my stock motor for boost, or getting an junk yard motor, and it turned out a short block for Scoggin Dickey was just about the same price with new parts & machine work.
I did get some 6L heads off Ebay for $325, and put about $1200 into them. I also bought my s/c used from a friend for 1/2 price. So there are areas you can save money, but you need to choose the right ones. The bottom end, fuel system & the drivetrain are NOT one of them....
I did get some 6L heads off Ebay for $325, and put about $1200 into them. I also bought my s/c used from a friend for 1/2 price. So there are areas you can save money, but you need to choose the right ones. The bottom end, fuel system & the drivetrain are NOT one of them....
05-21-2006, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Navy David SS
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
Good luck
Andy
05-21-2006, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Navy David SS
Do you really want to know how much a twin turbo would cost you?
Let's see
$3,200: Tranny, converter, flext plate, drive shaft
$2,000: Moser 12 bolt
$2,000: suspension (shocks, tq arm, etc, etc)
Engine:
$800: Used 6.0L iron block (includes bored, blueprinted, balanced)
$3,000: Bottom end (piston, rods, etc)
$2,800: AFR 225 with 700 springs
$300: Valve Covers
$350: Cam
$530: Lifters, push rods
$1,100: Victor Jr Intake and Accufab T/B and elbow
$400: Injectors
$250: Truck headers (includes jet coating)
$1,600: 2 T-67 Turbos
$1,000: Intercooler cores (not the intercooler, just the cores)
$1,750: Fuel system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Air-2-Water system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Misc piping and fittings for intercooler
$2,000: AEM
$500: Injector driver
$400: AEM guage
$400: A/F guage
$400: Other misc Guages
I am more than likely missing a bunch of stuff. $27,000+. This does not include safety stuff - paracute, wheelie bars, roll cage, seats, belts, rims, tires, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea, Did I tell you I had this done at a shop (NOT cheap labor either ).
Only problem about starting small, is that it never, never ends.
For $6-7,000, you could - buy the 6.0L block, built pistons/rods, use stock crank, use you stock heads, get a Z06 cam and springs, long tube headers, LS6 intake, PP T/B, and for power booster: pro-charger. And don't forget to upgrade your fuel system. Tuning will be a key. If you don't get a great tuner, your build will be ****. You may, just may sneak under $10,000. Things to watch out for: "good deals". They do not happen!!!! If you do your our work, you'll be ahead, but if you are like me, added another 50% just in labor. Find a great shop to do the build. We have numerous sponsors that will give a package deal.
Things you'll need to do prior to even doing the build: converter, suspension!!! You don't have to go crazy, but you'll want to put the power to the pavement.
Also, look at upgrading your tranny and rear-end.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
David
Let's see
$3,200: Tranny, converter, flext plate, drive shaft
$2,000: Moser 12 bolt
$2,000: suspension (shocks, tq arm, etc, etc)
Engine:
$800: Used 6.0L iron block (includes bored, blueprinted, balanced)
$3,000: Bottom end (piston, rods, etc)
$2,800: AFR 225 with 700 springs
$300: Valve Covers
$350: Cam
$530: Lifters, push rods
$1,100: Victor Jr Intake and Accufab T/B and elbow
$400: Injectors
$250: Truck headers (includes jet coating)
$1,600: 2 T-67 Turbos
$1,000: Intercooler cores (not the intercooler, just the cores)
$1,750: Fuel system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Air-2-Water system (pump, tank, lines, fittings)
$1,000: Misc piping and fittings for intercooler
$2,000: AEM
$500: Injector driver
$400: AEM guage
$400: A/F guage
$400: Other misc Guages
I am more than likely missing a bunch of stuff. $27,000+. This does not include safety stuff - paracute, wheelie bars, roll cage, seats, belts, rims, tires, etc, etc, etc. Oh yea, Did I tell you I had this done at a shop (NOT cheap labor either
).Only problem about starting small, is that it never, never ends.
For $6-7,000, you could - buy the 6.0L block, built pistons/rods, use stock crank, use you stock heads, get a Z06 cam and springs, long tube headers, LS6 intake, PP T/B, and for power booster: pro-charger. And don't forget to upgrade your fuel system. Tuning will be a key. If you don't get a great tuner, your build will be ****. You may, just may sneak under $10,000. Things to watch out for: "good deals". They do not happen!!!! If you do your our work, you'll be ahead, but if you are like me, added another 50% just in labor. Find a great shop to do the build. We have numerous sponsors that will give a package deal.
Things you'll need to do prior to even doing the build: converter, suspension!!! You don't have to go crazy, but you'll want to put the power to the pavement.
Also, look at upgrading your tranny and rear-end.
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO DO THIS????? You will never get your money back. This is for your pleasure only. To me, well worth every penny
David
05-21-2006, 12:10 PM
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I agree - Daves example was a little extreme but you need to have at least 10k on hand to turbo your car. I would keep the stock block, get new rods and pistons put in to start with. That will save you some cash on the short block.
You can pick up a pre-fabricated turbo kit with all the "turbo" specific stuff except the boost controller and gauges for $5k.
Then you will need at a minimum hptuners, fuel system and some drivetrain parts to keep the car together. Overall I'd say if you were careful you could probably get away with it for 10k if you did all the labor yourself.
You can pick up a pre-fabricated turbo kit with all the "turbo" specific stuff except the boost controller and gauges for $5k.
Then you will need at a minimum hptuners, fuel system and some drivetrain parts to keep the car together. Overall I'd say if you were careful you could probably get away with it for 10k if you did all the labor yourself.
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Agree with Boostaholic. I'm doing all my own stuff except machine work on block and heads. I pieced together my turbo parts from various people/places. If you aren't in a hurry there are deals to be had. I saved about $400 on my turbo (new), $150 on pistons (new), $150 on injectors (new). Just keep checking the for sale section. Seems like there is always someone hurting for cash and is willing to take a loss on their new stuff
I made a list of EVERYTHING I have and still need and will be right at $10k to get'er dun
I made a list of EVERYTHING I have and still need and will be right at $10k to get'er dun
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Thanks... I think.
Well I'll be doing the work myself (except the machine work and tunning), and I'm going to spend a few years building this so I can hunt for deals.
Maybe I'll lower my power expectations alittle, and add some a few grand to my budget... sigh.
Well I'll be doing the work myself (except the machine work and tunning), and I'm going to spend a few years building this so I can hunt for deals.
Maybe I'll lower my power expectations alittle, and add some a few grand to my budget... sigh.