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Old 07-31-2008, 05:19 PM
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Default 4.00 bore x 4.00 stroke.....good for FI

If I'm correct you can just hone the LSX iron block and you would have a 4.00bore, then just use a 4.00 stroke and I'd have a 402ci. RIGHT?????

That with a single turbo, FI-98X will be the turbo. OFI kit.

402ci + FI-98X + 6 bolt heads (probably ETP) + sheet metal intake

Main question: Is that the best bore/stroke combo?

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That will be a handful!!!! A FI-98X is a 7 second turbo.......crazy weekend car...lol
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if your going to go that far,i would reccomend run a 4.125 bore and 4'' stroke,the bigger heads will flow better on the big bore,basically free hp.
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
if your going to go that far,i would reccomend run a 4.125 bore and 4'' stroke,the bigger heads will flow better on the big bore,basically free hp.
Agreed, that is when most bigger valve heads really start to shine.
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4.185 x 4" here. With the right head gasket combo the setup will live at high HP levels. We've made about 1700hp at the tires and no signs of problems.
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
4.185 x 4" here. With the right head gasket combo the setup will live at high HP levels. We've made about 1700hp at the tires and no signs of problems.
so a 440ci with the ETP LS7 rectangular port heads?

Thats not too many cubes?
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4.185 x 4" here. With the right head gasket combo the setup will live at high HP levels. We've made about 1700hp at the tires and no signs of problems.
is the 440ci the one that made 1700 RWHP?
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Originally Posted by needadvice
is the 440ci the one that made 1700 RWHP?
it's actually 438,but yes it's made 1700 so far,has alot more left in it,we havent even started pushing it yet,should be well above 2000
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Originally Posted by Shawn @ VA Speed
it's actually 438,but yes it's made 1700 so far,has alot more left in it,we havent even started pushing it yet,should be well above 2000
I guess the question is: the chart with the FI-98X says its good to 1,975 hp. How does one build a motor to max out the potential of a turbo..or get damn close to it?

And before you ask, heck YES, 1,700 RWHP would be plenty. My goal is 1,500RWHP using an FI-98X on a ?????? cubic inch motor.
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Originally Posted by needadvice
I guess the question is: the chart with the FI-98X says its good to 1,975 hp. How does one build a motor to max out the potential of a turbo..or get damn close to it?

And before you ask, heck YES, 1,700 RWHP would be plenty. My goal is 1,500RWHP using an FI-98X on a ?????? cubic inch motor.

You have to match the compressor map and turbine map to an engine. Alot of even the professional racers don't do this and end up with backpressure problems or hot outlet temps. I can plot it all out for you if you need it.
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
You have to match the compressor map and turbine map to an engine. Alot of even the professional racers don't do this and end up with backpressure problems or hot outlet temps. I can plot it all out for you if you need it.
Yeah, I'd like to do it right the first time out. I'm certainly not expecting and really have no use for 1,975 HP, but I'd like to build a nicely matched set-up.

If you could plot it out I'd appreciate it, I'd like to see it. Then I could consult with my builder.

Thanks.
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Originally Posted by needadvice
I guess the question is: the chart with the FI-98X says its good to 1,975 hp. How does one build a motor to max out the potential of a turbo..or get damn close to it?

And before you ask, heck YES, 1,700 RWHP would be plenty. My goal is 1,500RWHP using an FI-98X on a ?????? cubic inch motor.
Ok....doing the #'s, you need ~161 lbs/min, PR 2.84 would be needed on a 402 revving to 7K rpms. This means you need a turbine flow of about ~75lbs/min. The FI98-X would be in the 70% eff range...which is good. Turbine side would need the larger A/R to reach turbine flow.
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
Ok....doing the #'s, you need ~161 lbs/min, PR 2.84 would be needed on a 402 revving to 7K rpms. This means you need a turbine flow of about ~75lbs/min. The FI98-X would be in the 70% eff range...which is good. Turbine side would need the larger A/R to reach turbine flow.
What is spool on that 98X compared to your typical thumper 98mm?

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Originally Posted by Mr.MartyStone
What is spool on that 98X compared to your typical thumper 98mm?

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About 600-1000rpms sooner depending on engine size. The larger the engine the less difference....but its still a good bit. Same as a GT55-91 vs a T91.5 thumper.
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Originally Posted by needadvice
is the 440ci the one that made 1700 RWHP?
I mis-quoted you. My Bore is 4.175, my head gasket is 4.185, so its a 438". yes its the one that made ~1700rwhp on medium boost level. We're expecting another 600-700rwhp out of the combo.
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
I mis-quoted you. My Bore is 4.175, my head gasket is 4.185, so its a 438". yes its the one that made ~1700rwhp on medium boost level. We're expecting another 600-700rwhp out of the combo.
Are you sticking with the 106?
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Originally Posted by DrTurbo
Are you sticking with the 106?
Yes unless we switch to twins. We think its got a 4.80 and a bottom 7 in it.
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Yeah with a 106 you should be able to. That first 100ft is the key for sure....
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Originally Posted by Phil99vette
We're expecting another 600-700rwhp out of the combo.
Most people shoot for that range as the final numbers That will be awesome if you can pull those extra ponies out of the combo Phil.

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Keith,
I think we can. Looking at the data no the run and from what a couple in "the know" have said we have an easy 500rwhp on the table.

Drturbo,
We've been a 1.301 60' on the small tires. On the big tires we've inched the 60' down .03 each pass by adding alittle to the 2 step RPM. Each time we add it picks up .03 EXACTLY to the number.



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