Vader TA

iTrader: (4)

Hey guys,

right now i have catted mac mids on the car. I was looking to upgrade to some longtubes. I was planning on going tsp headers or pacesetters since they were cheap and there are not huge gains over the macs.

i just had to opportunity to purchase a set of brand new american racing headers from a friend of mine for 550. He sold his car before he ever installed them. they are the 1 3/4" primaries.

anyway, if i get the arh headers from him i still have to buy a catted y pipe at 600 bucks.....so 1100 total

or just get the coated pacesetters with tsp catted y pipe for 700.

how much power should i gain with the longtubes over the macs?

is it worth it to spend the extra 400 for arh headers? i can sell my macs to offset the price a little.

THRTITH

That is the headers I am going to get. I had pacesetters on my gp. Never again.

ULTIMATEORANGESS

iTrader: (4)

try to sell your other setup and got these ARHs.

Vader TA

iTrader: (4)

what kind of power gain am i looking at over macs?

right now its a full bolt on 98 with a tune...made 325hp and 350tq.

i am also finishing up a nitrous install, not sure if the longtubes will help me with that.

Vader TA

iTrader: (4)

so is it worth it to swap out the macs?

SSCAMARO02LS1

its worth it. Just do it.

flintwrench69

iTrader: (11)

If I had to have cats for emissions the ARH or Kooks would be my choices. The ARH is a very good product. I got BBKs & no cats. Couldnt be happier. If you dont need cats why spend the extra & not have a better flowing system?

Pacesetters on a GP, thats a TOTALLY different setup than for a RWD car. They had problems with the pipe coming apart on the W body headers, thats why I went with the TOGS when I had my GTP.

BobP

iTrader: (1)

Another thing to consider is whether or not you need to install poly motor mounts to keep the Y from banging the floorboard, or the torgue arm in my case. A lot of comments on these boards about swapping these mounts amounts to "never again", "my heads and cam were easier", and so on.

With ARH 1 7/8" and catted Y, at least for me, I was able to adjust the banging out without a need to swap the mounts. This is on an '01 Camaro. I was very relived that I did not have to tackle it .

BobP

Vader TA

iTrader: (4)

i want to run cats to quiet the system down a little and cut the rasp out

justin hover

what catback are you running? and why not a powerstick or bullet in the y instead of cats?

Unertl42

iTrader: (63)

exactly what I was going to say

GreatV8

Pacesetters are best bang for the buck.

Vader TA

iTrader: (4)

corsa catback

z28camaross2

iTrader: (1)

for that price do it. i have some ARH on the way. why do it twice do it right the first time and not have to worry about it.

titter

iTrader: (5)

You are lucky. I had 30,000 on my original mounts and they were shot. I of course found this out after the ARH were installed. It took about 6 hours to swap the motor mounts. I don't think it was that bad, but I had access to a lift. Went to poly mounts, no more y-pipe banging my floor.

Vader TA

iTrader: (4)

well they are 500 bucks now! i still just dont know if its worth it do the exhaust when im still on the stock stall....

LS14EVR

iTrader: (3)

Do it! Get a tune. You won't regret it! I love mine to death! 1 7/8 with catted Y. Tuned by Frost. Poly MMs as well.

TImmy_Jones

iTrader: (4)

Bbks or eBay headers AND a stall!!

fatmat80

ARH are worth the money in my opinion. But i would also consider the stall and exhaust if I were you.

Shockwave179

iTrader: (7)

Definitely buy the ARH's they are second to none.