DG Gordon

I am wandering how do so many people have so much torque. I have a big cam and good heads and only make 393 rwqt with the cutouts open and 380 with them closed through stock mufflers. My last 224 cam netted me 397 rwtq through the stock mufflers. 17 rwtq less with a cam that make 35 more hp. I need some torque my car is very hard to drive with this clutch that has no slipage. Mods are in the sig, can anyone offer any help!

99 Black Bird T/A

iTrader: (4)

Seems like a 237/242 cam is very big for a 346. The big cams can give up torque down low. A smaller cam would help with the mid-range torque IMO because that seems like a cam for ~382 or so.

What gears do you have?

4.10's would go a long way toward helping the car feel like it has more torque and make it a little easier to drive.

What clutch do you have?

SouthFL.02.SS

Time for a Stroker kit!

99 Black Bird T/A

iTrader: (4)

That should solve the lack of torque for sure!

foff667

iTrader: (2)

yah there are a few factors in making big tq #'s one theres no replacement for displacement...two is velocity...thats what afr is hoping to win everyone over with.

ne14a6t9

let me guess, you have patriot stg2 lq9 heads. I wonder why you make low torque

foff667

iTrader: (2)

why not buy some stock in www.ihatepatriot.com or www.boycottpatriot.com i mean really i think youve beaten this to death at this point...everyone has made up their mind what they want...results are the only thing that will swing them to something else...why not concentrate on something more important?

SouthFL.02.SS

Yeah, what's up with that guy?

DG Gordon

I know the cam is big but I was hopping for at least 405 rwtq through the mufflers. I was hopping for 460 rwhp and 405+rwtq. But after all the money I have spent I will be happy with 380 rwtq. Even though the car sucks to drive and everyday I drive it it makes me start to hate it more.
The clutch is a Ram 980 centered disk and let me tell you the pedel effort is at least 10 times harder than stock but they tell me it wont slip. My wife cant push the pedel so she quite driving it.

critter

iTrader: (9)

Apparently he has no life and desperately needs one ...

foff667

iTrader: (2)

to get off the subject of assclowns and back to your origonal question i now see you lost tq with your big cam thats kinda odd that you lost peak tq did you gain any under the curve? Id think youd make not only more peak and under the curve hp but tq as well...if not id have to think theres a gremlin in there somewhere no matter how small it may be.

equandt

iTrader: (2)

You might try some matching gears for your cam, some 4:10's or better would be my suggestion. That would help your torque problem.

I personally think your cam is too big for your car. I think you might look a down sizing the cam a bit. Those big cams just don't make much low end torque.

gomer

iTrader: (13)

Yeah.. my car doesn't make any torque either... Its gotten to where I look forward to your posts, your level of stupidity continues to amaze me.

Now for the technical part. I'm really thinking that your cam is too big.. I know that's kinda an "experimental cam".. so maybe it just isn't doing what it's supposed to. Doing a cam swap isn't "too" hard, I'd like to see if switching to a reverse split would pick up the torque. I'm sure you could talk Jason and Trevor into something using their Reverse 231

DG Gordon

I just got off the phone from Jason and we are talking about a new cam in their design. Gomer thanks for the confidence you have for me-jk. We are talking about clutches and gears as well.

DG Gordon

I just got off the phone from Jason and we are talking about a new cam in their design. Gomer thanks for the confidence you have for me-jk. We are talking about clutches and gears as well.

99 Black Bird T/A

iTrader: (4)

DG,

Can you post the dynograph of your results with the big cam?

Mike K.

I say go with a 4.10 gear, that will make the car easier to drive and it will feel more torqy. Good luck with whatever you choose.

jrp

iTrader: (16)

i agree with the gear sentiment, its the cheapests way to make the car feel more torquey and get into your powerband alot quicker. do you haven an over lay of your 224 setup and the 237/242.

DG Gordon

This is my dyno chart with the "magic stick" cam.

foff667

iTrader: (2)

so basically you gained 30hp and 20ftlbs across your entire powerband...i dunno looks good to me are they the patriot heads btw?