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Old 03-02-2013, 07:10 PM
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Question 600 rwhp 402 anyone have a good idea for a good h/c combo?

hey guys im goin for 600 rwhp out of a 402 on pump gas. anyone have a good combo that will achieve that? i was going to try afr 225 heads with a thunderracing stroker cam 248/254 - .615/.623 - 112 lsa. also fast 102mm intake and throttle body as well. what ya guys think? if anyone has a combo that makes this please pm me if youd be so king . im also runnin a 150 shot of nitrous but id like to get 600 without the bottle lol. any opinions would help.

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talk to Tony Mamo at AFR ,he mite have some nice AFR heads for sale.Tony mite help you spec a cam to work with any AFR head.
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Never going to happen. With the bottle sure but never 600 na
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it could be done, but it'll have to be a radical motor with a LOT of money in it. I'd knock your goal down about 75whp just to be realistic.
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Originally Posted by Tainted
Never going to happen. With the bottle sure but never 600 na
No question...a 403cid will need a bottle to get 600 to the tire.
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Even for a 416 600rwhp takes compression big cams and expensive parts.

I really dont think people realize what 600rwhp really takes and the money that gets spent. The motor alone is over the 10k mark now add in a 1000 $ clutch to handle it, $$$ for tranny and rear upgrades. Youre EASILY over 15k for the package and thats on the low end assuming you can do some work.
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Originally Posted by Tainted
Even for a 416 600rwhp takes compression big cams and expensive parts.

I really dont think people realize what 600rwhp really takes and the money that gets spent. The motor alone is over the 10k mark now add in a 1000 $ clutch to handle it, $$$ for tranny and rear upgrades. Youre EASILY over 15k for the package and thats on the low end assuming you can do some work.
I think your a little light on the $$$ and cubes if you plan on building a 600rwhp na motor.
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Originally Posted by TheCapo
I think your a little light on the $$$ and cubes if you plan on building a 600rwhp na motor.
If you already have the block n all sure. But if you had to buy a new shortblock thats an easy 5-6k now add in cam valetrain heads etc
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Not gonna happen on pump gas that's for sure.. even on E85 it'd be a stretch.. going to need some very nice parts not just box stock AFR 225s and a random cam. Like posted above drop your goal about 75 hp and your maybe there on pump.
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Originally Posted by djfury05
Not gonna happen on pump gas that's for sure.. even on E85 it'd be a stretch.. going to need some very nice parts not just box stock AFR 225s and a random cam. Like posted above drop your goal about 75 hp and your maybe there on pump.
Unfortunately to make that kind of power na your gonna need more cubes.

Here is a 450cid with nasty cam, heavily massaged all-pro heads, and full flow 3" exhaust. The goal on this build is 600 rwhp on 91 pump gas.

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...s-install.html

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600 to the wheels no. 600hp engine yes.
Take a look at TMS 645hp 427. Im looking into that myself. Around 550rwhp is more realistic.
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Originally Posted by senicalj4579
600 to the wheels no. 600hp engine yes.
Take a look at TMS 645hp 427. Im looking into that myself. Around 550rwhp is more realistic.
550rwhp is a stretch as well. 515-520rwhp is a well performing 402 on pump from what I've seen on the majority side of the discussion. There are a few above average performers out there but with the parts OP is debating on using he will not be an above average performer IMO.
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520-530 out of a 402 is about all you can realistically expect. 416s can hit 550-570, but still a pretty radical build. 600 is the land of 427+
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Originally Posted by djfury05
550rwhp is a stretch as well. 515-520rwhp is a well performing 402 on pump from what I've seen on the majority side of the discussion. There are a few above average performers out there but with the parts OP is debating on using he will not be an above average performer IMO.
I agree but my estimate was more along the lines of the 427 I was looking at.
Sorry OP I was being selfish thinking about my own car
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Originally Posted by senicalj4579
I agree but my estimate was more along the lines of the 427 I was looking at.
Sorry OP I was being selfish thinking about my own car
Makes sense now, carry on
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Originally Posted by djfury05
550rwhp is a stretch as well. 515-520rwhp is a well performing 402 on pump from what I've seen on the majority side of the discussion. There are a few above average performers out there but with the parts OP is debating on using he will not be an above average performer IMO.
This....


OP- get yourself a 427 or bigger for your goal. Plus your love the tq with the 427 over the 402. I have the setup your wanting with a custom cam and im no where near 600
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if all else fails and you really want that 600 boost is another way to go
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I made 602rwhp through a 4l80 but it took 429 inches, 13.7:1 compression, e85, a vacuum pump, $2400 worth of heads and a bigger cam then you want.
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You can look at my build.

408
Small bore ls3 heads
Custom cam
11:5:1cr
True duals
4" intake tract
Full supporting mods

And you see im hoping for 525whp+ pat g thinks 525 should be a breeze and I can hope for more but ive got some high end parts.
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You can look at all the specifics in my signature block for 550 plus at the tire. I had 250cc intake runners on the heads with 2.1" valves. I considered what it would take for 600 at the tire and my feeling is bigger 275cc plus ports, 2.160 plus intake valves, a very large camshaft, big exhaust and a big, big intake. Oh, and my numbers were on 93 octane.

My drivetrain loss was a quite accurate 14 percent as measured on the stock GTO.

Figure the NASCAR guys make 800 plus on 358 CI, so do what they do. Most of their work is on their 400 plus CFM heads, and they do wind the engines up over 8,000 RPM.

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