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Old 11-30-2002, 10:24 PM
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Default TR 227/224 cam in a 2002 Z06- results

Yesterday I had Thunder Racing install a cam in the Z. Dyno tuning was accomplished this morning.
Specs are: 227/224 .569/.563 114 LSA

After doing quite a bit of homework on the subject, I decided on this cam over the larger 230/226 type cams for two reasons:
1. With a 114 LSA, it will be smoother at idle and have better low RPM drivability.
2. With less lift and duration, there's less of a chance of a valve meeting a piston, and less wear and tear on the valvetrain.

The baseline dyno before the cam was 373rwhp/365rwtq with a Halltech T-1, Shaner S2 TB, FLP headers (offroad pipes), and Borla Stingers. The fuel and timing tables in the PCM were still stock at that time.

Thunder Racing installed an ASP pulley during the cam swap, since the pulley had to come off anyhow. The whole job took them about 8 hours start to finish.

This morning we straped the car on the dyno, and got SAE 410rwhp/380rwtq. This was with STOCK tuning!! The wideband O2 showed that it was too lean in the low to mid-range, and rich up top.

After tuning with LS1 edit, they re-dynoed, and it pulled SAE 423rwhp/393rwtq with stock heads!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> My dynos beat two other C5's that dynoed today with heads and cam, across the entire RPM band, by a considerable margin (~20rwhp). The maximum power gain was roughly 50rwhp at 6500 RPM over the stock cam and pulley. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />

There were no gains to be had by tweaking the timing- the stock timing is pretty much dead-on. All the tuning gains came from tweaking the fuel/air ratio. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />

The drivabiity on the cam is great- I'm very pleased and pleasantly surprised with how well it drives. I had a 98 TA with a 218/224 cam, and this cam drives considerably better. The idle is pretty lumpy- it's not what I'd call a stealthy profile, but its not overly choppy like the 112LSA cams I've heard. I get a little RPM surging below 1000RPM in gear, when I start the car on a hot engine, but it only lasts for a few seconds before it smooths out.
The pull at WOT is awesome. I gained so much mid-range torque that the pull is quite a bit smoother/more linear than stock, and it pulls HARD in every gear. On the way home, on a deserted highway, I hit a speed somewhere slightly North of 170MPH and the acceleration wasn't showing any sign of letting up. It was pretty unreal.

I would definetly recommend this cam to anyone. I'd also like to say that Thunder Racing treated me GREAT. They definetly know what customer service is all about. If anyone is thinking about doing a cam, and you think you might be interested in the cam I went with, give Thunder a call and they'll take care of you. I can't say enough good things about my experience with them.

Hopefully I'll get her to the track soon! With this cold air, I'm expecting some really good trap speeds! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

(BTW- for anyone that was wondering, the steering rack does need to be removed to get the crank pulley off, and the entire rack comes on and off in one piece realatively easily)

Edit: Here are the dynographs from 2 consecutive pulls.
<img src="http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/a/camta/Z06/Images/SAE_dyno30Nov_1.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img src="http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/a/camta/Z06/Images/SAE_dyno30Nov_2.jpg" alt=" - " />
<img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

<small>[ December 03, 2002, 10:45 AM: Message edited by: Z06Cam ]</small>
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great results, get your heads done and retune . 440-445/420 with no problem. Yep they are great people down there. goodluck
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A few pics...

<img src="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/jason99ta20/images//steeringrack.jpg" alt=" - " />
Steering Rack after removal.

<img src="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/jason99ta20/images/caminstall01.jpg" alt=" - " />
Jason and Shane putting the rockers back on.

<img src="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/jason99ta20/images//caminstall03.jpg" alt=" - " />
The engine compartment with the radiator, etc, removed. Pretty eh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<img src="http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/jason99ta20/images//caminstall04.jpg" alt=" - " />
Jason and Geoff during valvespring replacement. The orange hammer is Thunder's new high-speed valvespring compressor. Geoff bangs on the retainers with the hammer and Jason catches the locks with a magnet! Using their new (and no longer secret) method of replacing valvesprings, they were able to do all 16 in under 10 minutes! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (J/K!!)

Edit: Since my web server is still down, Jason is hosting the above pics for me. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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Great numbers Cameron! The car did feel damn good last night. I was expecting 410-415, but 423rwhp is crazy. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

So, when can we put a set of GTPs on? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Z06Cam:
<strong>Jason and Geoff during valvespring replacement. The orange hammer is Thunder's new high-speed valvespring compressor. Geoff bangs on the retainers with the hammer and Jason catches the locks with a magnet! Using their new (and no longer secret) method of replacing valvesprings, they were able to do all 16 in under 10 minutes! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> (J/K!!)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is why cameras are no longer permitted in the shop.. you are giving away all of our secrets. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> lol

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Those are some awesome numbers man, that cam sure did wake that car up!
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Good numbers. Dont u think guys that this crazy number is due to the good LS6 heads with slight higher C/R(10.5). I dont know if a LS1 will get anywhere around that number with this cam. What do u think jason?
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Since the only difference between the LS6 and the newer LS1 motors is the heads and cam, I think the extra power Z06's make with just a cam is due to the better flowing heads and slightly higher CR.

With LS1 heads, I'd expect 400-405 at the wheels

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Kickass results! That is right up there with that one Z06 pushing 430 rwhp with stock heads and the F1 cam.
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Congrats!!!!
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My most favoritest bestest cam EVER strikes again! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Jason, if yall learned any ybody tricks lemme know in an email so I can update my page.

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> Nice numbers. That will turn some serious MPH in your car. Damn Z06s. <img border="0" alt="[guns]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_guns.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

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Awsome numbers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> I wouldn't bother with doing the heads you've got plenty of power just the way it sits. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Congrats.

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Thanks guys.

My webpage server seems to be down at the moment- hence the red x's where the pics should be. Hopefully the pics will be back up there soon.
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what size injectors do the Z06's have?
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Hey Cam, It was nice to meet you and see how good your car runs. If you remember, I told you, you probably see 170 MPH like I saw in the Daytona ride along program. I didn't know you would go that fast on your way home though. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> Jimmy PS: Be careful flying those Buffs.
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Congrats man, I knew TR would steer you in the right direction! TR is kick-***. They are a great bunch of guys (and girls, for Angie <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> )
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dean:
<strong>what size injectors do the Z06's have?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dean, injectors are stock 28.5# (edited).

Jimmy- nice meeting you too.

Nasty- thanks! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

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That would be a sweet setup for someone who doesn't want to spend big bucks for heads. I believe SPDC sells '02 LS6 heads for $1500 outright. I bet throttle response is good.
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Great numbers Cam. You might get an 11 outta the Z now <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Hope to see you at RRR or Hallsville real soon.

I just watched my car back outta the driveway. I am letting 96BlackBeast(Zack) drive her to TR for tuning. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I miss her already.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2000SILVERTA:
<strong>Great numbers Cam. You might get an 11 outta the Z now <img border="0" alt="[jester]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_jest.gif" />
Hope to see you at RRR or Hallsville real soon.

I just watched my car back outta the driveway. I am letting 96BlackBeast(Zack) drive her to TR for tuning. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Sad]" src="gr_sad.gif" /> I miss her already.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Damn! My secret is out! LOL I was planning on giving you a little surprise when we finally got around to that 30 punch. Guess it won't be a surprise when I skull drag your **** now! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Man, you let Zach take your car to TR for you? Brave man! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />


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