What is it Worth? - Getting a WS6: Your thoughts on the deal




Firehawknwv
09-20-2010, 10:21 PM
Hey Ive been on here for years but not really posted anthing cuz Im an owner of a 01 camd v6 Firebird so it would be out of place here. I currently have my car up for sale for 8 grand. I found a 2001 black on black WS6 with 90k miles. It has a rebuilt title where it was hit n the front drivers quarter. The bumper and fender were replaced and the work looks fine as the guy had the entire repainted with Dupont paint. I drove the car and it felt fine IMO. Right now the car is stock except for it has Hooker LTs 1 7/8 into stock exhaust and it has a line lock kit in it. Not sure of the brand on the line lock kit. The only thing that it needs looks wise as the front plate filler and the pass door panel replaced as the arm rest is coming from the panel it seemed. I have both parts to replace it these itemes with. I also plan on getting the car buffed just for safe measure on my part. The only thing the car has that I dont care much for is that he had the door handles and locks shaved and added door popers. The door popers work fine. I just dont care for them. He has the original locks for the car and he bought me another door so Id have a handle. I can get another door in great shape for 100 bucks. I wouldnt fixe the door handles til this winter after the first of the year. He only put 2k on the car snce he bought it in Jan. of last year and hes kept it in his garage the entire time and never has driven it in rain or snow. He has even undercoated the car.

Here is the craigslist add:
http://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/1929855815.html

Ok so here is the deal on the car. He origianlly wanted 8500 which I know was too high even though the car still books for 10500 with the rebuilt title as stated by Carfax when I ran it. Now I got him down to 7k cash and my Ruger SR9 9mm pistol thats never been fired. The pistol is worh 400 from pawn shops. I cnat afford more than 8100 right now so this car is in m range with cash to spair for mods and such. Ive looked locally, on here, cars.com, autotrader and Ive nto come up with anything. So let me knwo what you guys think of this deal.

Thanx, Chris H.


Element
09-20-2010, 10:32 PM
Meh, if you're going to mod, looking for a WS6 specifically is a waste of time and money - you're going to replace everything but the hood anyway, so you're paying a premium for a badge and a hood.

Rebuild title would instantly knock it out of consideration for me, but these cars aren't rare if you open your search radius up and aren't picky about color.

Firehawknwv
09-20-2010, 10:46 PM
Where in WV are you from?

Well Ive searched up to a 300 mile radius on the sites. All I come up with is 114k + miles or cars taht have been heavily moded and ran hard. Id like to find one that dont have incredible high mileage or that hasnt been heavily moded. Color isnt a big deal to me as long as its not Arctic White.


CJDZ24_Z28
09-21-2010, 06:33 AM
If you can travel a little bit i'd try to find another. If you just want to upgrade to a V8 there are tons of good deals out there on cars that weren't involved in any accidents. The rebuilt title could come back to haunt you if you ever needed to sell the car

98z8uup
09-21-2010, 07:19 AM
I say keep looking. The title is would be a no for me.

Mike Morris
09-21-2010, 08:29 AM
Keep looking.

DukesOfHazard
09-21-2010, 08:34 AM
I almost bought a 04 GTO with a rebuilt title before the guys here talked some sense into me. Then I drove around 600 miles total and have my Z, I couldn't be happier.

egott_91
09-21-2010, 08:45 AM
Rebuilt title would ruin the deal for me. Find something else...you can get a Z with a clean title for 7 with less miles probably

bad_408_vert
09-21-2010, 09:01 AM
The rebuilt title could come back to haunt you if you ever needed to sell the car

This and also maybe some trouble just for you to register it under your name.

Keep looking and don't be picky about the color if you can get the car in a nicer shape. If you can also find a non ws6 car, get it and just do the visual upgrades.

Firehawknwv
09-21-2010, 09:22 AM
I dont want a Z really as I like the looks of the TAs better.

Element
09-21-2010, 10:39 AM
Where in WV are you from?

Well Ive searched up to a 300 mile radius on the sites. All I come up with is 114k + miles or cars taht have been heavily moded and ran hard. Id like to find one that dont have incredible high mileage or that hasnt been heavily moded. Color isnt a big deal to me as long as its not Arctic White.

Up in the eastern panhandle. Not a whole lot of f-bodies here and most of the owners are either old guys or asshole high school kids. I had to drive down to the Chesapeake Bay to find my car.

Hard thing with these cars is finding a low-mileage, lightly-modded one for a decent price. Most are either stock cars with a lot of miles that are mid-priced, bone stock with no mods and hardly any miles for $23k+, or lots of miles/used up for $7-10k.

As long as the car's been well-maintained , high-mileage isn't so much a reliability issue as one to whether you want to spend the money on a car with that many miles.

Firehawknwv
09-21-2010, 11:17 AM
Yea its hard to find a good priced one with low miles and not highly moded.

Firehawknwv
09-21-2010, 09:54 PM
I decided not go get that rebuilt WS6 and the owner got all p!ssy with me about it. Sayin he already had another buyer that he called cuz he knew I was gonna back out among other choice phrases. I just told him that he had the car sold so whats the big deal. I dont understand some people. I think I found a local 02 WS6 with 26k miles on it tahts been garage kept. Heard he wants 14k for it which that sound about right for NADA and KBB value but Im sure I can talke him down to 11k or so cuz hes been sitting on teh car for quiet a while.

NC01TA
09-22-2010, 07:50 AM
Smart move! The owner has no right to be upset. It is part of the game when selling a car.
That 26k miles car sounds good at that price. If it checks out completely, grab it! $11,000 is too low but you can always try.

bad_408_vert
09-22-2010, 09:40 AM
The only reason that seller was upset because the car was probably a headache.

When I got my first car, the seller thought I was backing out when really all I said was "I can't pick up the car today and give you the rest of cash since I got called in for a shift at work". Later on I found out the car needed a catalytic converter so he was in a rush to sell it.

Element
09-22-2010, 11:29 AM
The only reason that seller was upset because the car was probably a headache.

When I got my first car, the seller thought I was backing out when really all I said was "I can't pick up the car today and give you the rest of cash since I got called in for a shift at work". Later on I found out the car needed a catalytic converter so he was in a rush to sell it.

To be honest though, people will come up with a LOT of bullshit to back out of buying a car without straight-up saying they don't want the vehicle. I sold a lifted K5 on craigslist last year and some of the shit I got between asking if I'd take 25% of my asking price for cash (uh, bro, I'm not gonna take a credit card or check, the hell else you think I expect payment in?), to people asking if I'd drive the truck 2 hours so their "mechanic buddy" could check it out.

CarolinaTA
09-22-2010, 12:31 PM
If your going to mod it anyway your not going to be easy on it driving it, buying a car thats been ridden hard and is still in one piece and runs right is better then buying a stock one or nearly stock one that you might mod and problems will show up later. If someone else already modded it if they found any problems they have been fixed. As for the car above, it being salvage thats way too much money. Id give him 6k for it. Its close to 100k miles and its a Auto which in 20k-30k miles your going to be replacing anyway. If hes got a line lock kit in that car and hes been using it to do burn outs and such that rear end and that 4l60 are probably not going to be holding up too much longer. If he tells you he hasnt used it hes a lier because it wouldnt be in there if it wasnt going to be used. Find a cheaper non ws6 car with a 6 speed and buy it. Further more last summer i bought mine for 5800 with 102k miles on it, it being a auto and non ws6 and completely stock. 2k later it now has a ws6 hood headers exhaust lid and heads and cam and 112k miles on it.

blownws6_nc
09-22-2010, 12:31 PM
Smart move, damn a totaled out car.

CarolinaTA
09-22-2010, 12:35 PM
The only reason that seller was upset because the car was probably a headache.

When I got my first car, the seller thought I was backing out when really all I said was "I can't pick up the car today and give you the rest of cash since I got called in for a shift at work". Later on I found out the car needed a catalytic converter so he was in a rush to sell it.


This happened to me, guy wouldnt let me drive it more then a couple miles and found out later he had the service lights reset and i had 2 bad cats. No cats on it now though so it all works out.

Firehawknwv
09-22-2010, 02:07 PM
Well the guy told me up front that he used the linelock. He bought the car wrecked and fixed it and was gonna make a drag car ou tof it but he neeeded a truck for winter. I told him that my insurance co. didnt like the idea of me insuring a rebuilt car so i told him they didnt want to insure it. He got pissy and said well Ill hook you up with my company and ull get a good deal. I told him Im not gonna take out 2 poliecies with 2 companies because thats to much hastle and dumb. He just seemed way to eager to get rid of the car so it told me there was something else wrong with the car than he was saying. One thing was he had to have the Hooker header on the drivers side pulled away from teh K-frame and my buddy who had a Z28 with those headers said they shouldnt be rubbing the k-fram at all. So that kind of told me the k-frame must have been bent and not replaced.

BayArea ws6
09-22-2010, 02:46 PM
dude seems way shady.be patient and you'll find what you want.hell i had 2 have my 30th ann. ws6 #0093 shipped from Florida to San Francisco.it took FOREVER but it was worth the wait.his urgency to sell it is a complete red light.no one buys line lock without the intention of doing long smoky burnouts.

Firehawknwv
09-22-2010, 10:29 PM
dude seems way shady.be patient and you'll find what you want.hell i had 2 have my 30th ann. ws6 #0093 shipped from Florida to San Francisco.it took FOREVER but it was worth the wait.his urgency to sell it is a complete red light.no one buys line lock without the intention of doing long smoky burnouts.

How much did that cost you to ship it if you dont mind me asking?

Camaro_94
09-22-2010, 11:26 PM
You're trying to sell a v6 firebird for $8K? :secret2:

Depending on milage and condition, I'd prob. expect around $4000-4500. Thats a more realistic number to count on.

Good luck in the search though.

Firehawknwv
09-23-2010, 01:18 AM
My car KBBS/NADA for over 7k with the cam and thousand other mods its worth 8k.

NC01TA
09-23-2010, 07:51 AM
My car KBBS/NADA for over 7k with the cam and thousand other mods its worth 8k.

Yes, it may be worth that but it will take a miracle to sell it at that price. Worth and reality are not similar. My 21k miles vert is worth $20,000+ to me ( near MINT, rare color combo, etc..) but I couldn't sell it for close to that. Reality.

NC01TA
09-23-2010, 07:52 AM
You're trying to sell a v6 firebird for $8K? :secret2:

Depending on milage and condition, I'd prob. expect around $4000-4500. Thats a more realistic number to count on.

Good luck in the search though.

x2...

Element
09-23-2010, 09:02 AM
My car KBBS/NADA for over 7k with the cam and thousand other mods its worth 8k.

KBB is worthless for private-party selling, and mods (unless they're major on a big-power car) never increase the selling price, especially if they're on a V6 car with a common V8 option.

$5k would be generous for a V6 'bird. Not trying to be harsh, just realistic.

Firehawknwv
09-23-2010, 11:16 AM
I know those sites dont account for mods. They only account for stock cars with options, mileage, and condition. The car stock with 81k miles books for over 7. So with what Ive done to it Im just asking a few hundred more. The ones whos been interested havent argued the price on it either. A 00 model v6 just sold at a local lot here for over 7k so it can be done.

Camaro_94
09-23-2010, 01:19 PM
I know those sites dont account for mods. They only account for stock cars with options, mileage, and condition. The car stock with 81k miles books for over 7. So with what Ive done to it Im just asking a few hundred more. The ones whos been interested havent argued the price on it either. A 00 model v6 just sold at a local lot here for over 7k so it can be done.

I'm not trying to knock your car or anything... But I can almost guarantee it will not sell for that much. Buy a lottery ticket if it does, because you'll be one lucky SOB.

I'm just trying to give realistic advise. The mods you listed will not increase the price, especially to that extent. Look at the going rate for them at private party on EBAY, AUTO TRADER, or CARS.com. You are not a dealer and dont offer a warrenty and cant get people financed. Dealerships can, and unless that other v6 car had under 40K miles, they were taken too...

Why is someone going to buy a V6 for the price of a V8? I had 2 V6 Camaros. One was basically like new. rebuilt engine, new clutch, new transmission, rebuilt rear end, nice radio setup, new paint job... All within a year of me selling it. I got $3800 for it. Had 98K miles and was a 5 speed.

If you can sell it at that price, more power to you. Just dont be suprised if it doesnt.

Camaro_94
09-23-2010, 01:27 PM
NADA value on your firebird is $4800 btw..

Firehawknwv
09-23-2010, 05:03 PM
NADA value on your firebird is $4800 btw..

actually Clean retail on my car via NADA is 5875 + 1,025 for mileage +100 for power seat + 300 for ttop = 7,300 total price I just went and checked agin for myself. Clean trade in is 5175

Camaro_94
09-23-2010, 06:09 PM
actually Clean retail on my car via NADA is 5875 + 1,025 for mileage +100 for power seat + 300 for ttop = 7,300 total price I just went and checked agin for myself. Clean trade in is 5175

You're forgetting one thing... You are not a dealer!!! Go by clean trade in on NADA. Thats private party..

I'm out of this thread. If you think you can get $8K for your car.. More power to you. I'm just trying to give you a realistic number on what to expect. Nobody in their right mind is going to spend $8K on a V6 f-body when they could get a Z28/Formula for that same price with similar miles, and even mods for that sake and run laps around it.

GLWS.

BayArea ws6
09-23-2010, 06:13 PM
If i recall it was a little under 2 grand. It was about 2 years ago so i might be a little off.2 grand 2 register.that sucked.oh yeah and be careful who ships your car,once the bastards scraped 1 of my rims and then I was told they are not responsible because the rims are not part of the car.WTF.TOTAL BS.It was D.A.S. DEPENDABLE AUTO SHIPPING .STAY AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY.

Firehawknwv
09-23-2010, 08:34 PM
KBB, private party retail in Excellent condition = 6220
Im not being an ars towards you man. Im jsut stating what each site says the car is good for. I know mods dont bring price up and I know Im not a dealer. I can still try to sell teh car for a price a see fit. If someone buys it for that then they do if they dont then they dont. Im still getting a LS1 car regardless.

Yea man that is messed up that thay didnt repalce the wheel. I would have been really PO'd about that as well. I talked to a compnay the other day that a car transported 200 miles away from me was like 350 or something like that.

RSbeast
09-26-2010, 08:19 PM
Firebirds will always carry a premium and will be easier to sell than a v6. Camaro. Most common buyers do not care that the car has a v8 and prefer the milage of the v6 and cheaper costs associated. Dont hate on the guys car or knock his sale. Your own car would be worth more if it was a bird.

69camaross
10-06-2010, 05:21 PM
Ok, to save you time and prevent you from missing a sale now that you'd take in a heart beat 4 months from now when you figure out how automobile pricing works, I'm going to post the below. Please note that I hold a wholesaler's license and sold cars professionally for over 5 years.

1. Your car and all of the 4th gens are damn near 10 years old or older which makes ALL of the internet pricing sites invalid.

2. Any value tool that you're using that is quoting retail DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU. That applies to a dealership. Why you ask is a dealer's car worth more than mine? 3 things:
- A dealerhsip offers financing. People are dumb and don't realize they can
get financing on their own and then buy whatever car they want.
- A dealership will accept a trade in? Will you? People are lazy/dumb and can't sell their own cars
- A dealer has a business to support and can't get away with the same stuff as a private sale. They have to invest somewhat into the cars to get them to a certain level. Buyers know this and this is why they won't pay you anywhere near what they will a dealership

3. MODS DO NOT AD VALUE TO A CAR. Especially the mods you've done to a V6 which is not a performance car that people seek out with mods. Some lady will buy it as she thinks its cute and doesn't want the gas guzzling loud V8, or daddy will buy it for little Suzy or Johnny as he wants them to have a cool car but one that's reliable and cheap on insurance. A bunch of mods is not on these people's list of things they want in their cheap V6 f-body.

4. If you can buy same year, same miles Z28 for 8000, sorry to say you're V6 is worth about 1/2 that. Its the nature of the market. If both cars were side by side and same price which one would you rather buy? Of course the Z28, same goes for everyone else.

To sell your car for the maximum dollar, REMOVE ALL OF THE MODS and take it back to 100% stock. clean it up and start around $5500 if you have less than 80k miles. If you have over 100K miles start around $4500.

If you leave it as it with a cam and the other crap on it, you might as well ask $3000 now as thats what you'll take for it in the middle of winter. Good luck

PS, to the poster above, excluding the WS6 Trans Am, 82-02 Camaros consistantly sell faster and for more money than a like Firebird. Only need to look at craigslist to see this fact.

RSbeast
10-06-2010, 08:34 PM
For what its worth" ive yet to see a half decent car at a `dealer` the difference is if something is totally shot like brakes or tires and theyll either get used tires; a $20 set of pads and clean it. Private party people rarely clean their shit. To say his car is worth 3k is insulting and sounds like the typical dealer trade BS...where you drive that right to the front of the lot and convince yourself and others its worth 6k. Realistically that car is worth 5500-5800 but wait for the right buyer and they will come. That is the beauty of private sale as you don't have to run a business off of the sale. Dealers will sell the car faster because of the finance option and the fact people are idiots. You've been in the business because you are able to sell a lesser car for more $ solely based onallowing people to buy without 100% up front.

RSbeast
10-06-2010, 08:40 PM
I would also wager there are 2 camaros for 1 firebird for sale....as apparently we have different craigslists. That and the fact they likely sold in that order being cheaper. When there is more of one car on the market; I'd think the dominant would be top seller....

69camaross
10-07-2010, 08:58 AM
For what its worth" ive yet to see a half decent car at a `dealer` the difference is if something is totally shot like brakes or tires and theyll either get used tires; a $20 set of pads and clean it. Private party people rarely clean their shit. To say his car is worth 3k is insulting and sounds like the typical dealer trade BS...where you drive that right to the front of the lot and convince yourself and others its worth 6k. Realistically that car is worth 5500-5800 but wait for the right buyer and they will come. That is the beauty of private sale as you don't have to run a business off of the sale. Dealers will sell the car faster because of the finance option and the fact people are idiots. You've been in the business because you are able to sell a lesser car for more $ solely based onallowing people to buy without 100% up front.

I'm not insulting him, I stating the obvious. Let me describe his car based on simlarly modifed V6 birds that you typically see.

1. over 100k miles
2. some of the stuff in the interior plastic is probably broken. On a V8 this is excusable, on a V6 it is not as they have different buyers.
3. Maybe some stickers, windshield banner, stripes, tail light black outs that all scream that someone young owned this car and ran the shit out of it even if this isn't the case. Remember buyers will stereotype
4. Probably a loud flowmaster exhaust or something else that will detract the largest percentage of your V6 buyers, women. And probably has some huge tips out the back.

I'm trying to help this guy as he is obviously super lost and a rookie when it comes to private party sales based on his understanding of the business described above.

OP, as I said above, take the car back to 100% stock, clean it up showroom new and slap $5000 price tag on it and be ready to take $4500. It's already the October, you literally have till Halloween to sell this car. After that you might as well wait until March 2011.

FNG02WS6guy
10-09-2010, 12:37 PM
:stupid: Yeah definitely agree, you have to account for the used car market. Who wants a cammed v6?? that tells those potential purchasers(females and posers) that the motor has been cracked open and there goes reliability. People typically buy the V6 for affordability. Now if you car is the same price or more than a V8, guess what These guys aren't raggin on you just to rag. They are givin you an unbiased opinion. Which is why you posted this right??:bang: Well either way it goes good luck with the sale.