New LS1 Owners - Newbie Tech - What do you guys think of Lingenfelter?




alextaylor29
03-04-2004, 11:22 PM
Doing my homework on a future SS purchase and came upon Lingerfelter. I've heard of him before, mostly for vettes, but he offers packages for LS1's as well.

http://www.lingenfelter.com/packagesfls1.asp

Has anyone on this board had their LS1 work on their?

I was thinking of this package: http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac350cidls1f.asp

They seem very reasonable. Get a used SS (2000) for 16K, have them do the work for another 7K and have a smokin' vette killer, and basically a new engine for 23K.

Something on the order of this: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2464728559&category=6161

Am I an idiot for considering this as an option? Love to hear some feedback.

Thanks,

Alex


770Guy
03-04-2004, 11:31 PM
They do badass work, but for the money you spend on that "upgrade" you could go to one of the sponsers and had something that makes allot more HP for the same amount. For 7k bucks you could have a badass heads cam setup that makes 430-460Rear wheel horsepower, that lingenfelter combo probably makes like 380 rear wheel horsepower.

alextaylor29
03-04-2004, 11:36 PM
Hmm...overpriced then eh? I'm not a mechanic so I'd have to pay the labor regardless. But it sounds like Lingenfelter is overpriced.

Any other options if I'm looking for a 'package' for a big HP upgrade on existing motor? Recommendations?

I found this, looks reasonable. http://www.ls1speed.com/engines.cfm Well at least I know now what's a fair price. :D


2FAST4U
03-05-2004, 12:00 AM
Go with a turbo kit. $3500,injectors $400, cat back exhaust $500, tune $500. And it isn't hard to install at all! mostly just bolts. You don't realy need a exhaust and I would throw so gauges in there to.

So $5000+/- and 320hp too 700hp. All depends on the way you set it up.

Stone0fFire
03-05-2004, 12:32 AM
Go with a turbo kit. $3500,injectors $400, cat back exhaust $500, tune $500. And it isn't hard to install at all! mostly just bolts. You don't realy need a exhaust and I would throw so gauges in there to.

So $5000+/- and 320hp too 700hp. All depends on the way you set it up.


wtf are you talking about?
$3500 for a turbo?
what happened to $5k super and $6k turbo?
please tell me the details.
meanwhile im stopping by the fi section.
i cant believe this.

Lucas Black
03-05-2004, 03:01 AM
the advantages i've heard about lingenfelter is not so much just the hp numbers but the craftmanship that goes into the install. i've heard from one guy that sent his car there say that when we got it back, that the car ran/operated smoother than his wife's bmw. and you know american cars aren't built or modified with incredible engine running smoothness in mind.

so, with lingenfelter, its not just about hp. it's how incredibly well that hp is packaged into your car so that its more powerful but runs smoother than it did stock.

that's the feeling i get anyways....

Tom@SpeedInc
03-05-2004, 03:44 AM
RIP John Lingenfelter, very tragic.

Robzilla
03-05-2004, 08:15 AM
Go with a turbo kit. $3500,injectors $400, cat back exhaust $500, tune $500. And it isn't hard to install at all! mostly just bolts. You don't realy need a exhaust and I would throw so gauges in there to.

So $5000+/- and 320hp too 700hp. All depends on the way you set it up.

I hate to break it to you man but it's not that easy to get 700hp, it's a lot of work and money.

5POINT7
03-05-2004, 08:26 AM
I hate to break it to you man but it's not that easy to get 700hp, it's a lot of work and money.
For real, and turbo kits for ls1's do NOT $3500, more like $6500...not installed. If you have the means, I would go with the LPE package, it sounds sweet and I believe they do great work. It is true that you could get a lot more than 380rwhp with $7k, but then you couldn't say that you have a Lingenfelter Package! :D

alextaylor29
03-05-2004, 09:55 AM
Awesome, thanks guys. My buget for an updgrade / install would be about 7K, and I'd really like to be able to just drop the car off, and have them do it all ya know?

Good input all around and I'll keep doing the research.

Thanks again,

Alex

slow
03-05-2004, 10:34 AM
Go with a turbo kit. $3500,injectors $400, cat back exhaust $500, tune $500. And it isn't hard to install at all! mostly just bolts. You don't realy need a exhaust and I would throw so gauges in there to.

So $5000+/- and 320hp too 700hp. All depends on the way you set it up.

hook me up with a link to a 3500 turbo kit.

Im piecing together a used vortech kit, that will end up costing me around 2500+ fuel system.

I would gladly pay another G for a turbo :D

Ryan.

Red91vette
03-05-2004, 11:28 AM
The only turbo kit I know of that is 3500 is the STS kit, which in my opinion isn't worth you. You could do a turbo setup if you knew what you were doing and make your own, but that wouldn't work in alex's case. 7K can deffinitely pay for a turbo kit though, id rather have a turbo on my car then h/c anyday, just because I love the thought of a boosted LS1, someday maybe. Either way, good luck with your decisions.

kickassT/A
03-05-2004, 11:34 AM
for that price, you could drop your car off at mti and get a heads cam setup that will put up much higher numbers. and you're not getting a new motor... you're getting a new top end and keeping your old short block minus the new cam.

alextaylor29
03-05-2004, 11:58 AM
But for the price of 7K, wouldn't a new motor be better / Preferrable. Again I'm a newb, so sorry if it's a dumb question. I'd be buying a used SS, so a new motor pushing 400 - 500 HP for around 7 - 8K installed, seems atractive to me.

Or is it better to keep the stock motor and just mod it for that amount?

Thanks,

Alex

Julian
03-05-2004, 12:06 PM
But for the price of 7K, wouldn't a new motor be better / Preferrable. Again I'm a newb, so sorry if it's a dumb question. I'd be buying a used SS, so a new motor pushing 400 - 500 HP for around 7 - 8K installed, seems atractive to me.

Or is it better to keep the stock motor and just mod it for that amount?

Thanks,

Alex

I think he's saying you wouldn't be getting an all new motor from lingenfelter.
Have you ever driven a car with 450hp? :burn:
This is what I would do:
1. get your car
2. do intake lid ($100 do that yourself, its real easy) and tires if you need it.
3. Find a performance shop near you that works on LS1's, ask on here, drive a ways to it if you have to, its worth it.
4. Get an exhaust ($600), headers ($1100), SFC's ($200) and LCA's ($100) and have all that put on.
5. Drive it for a bit and start thinking about cams.
6. get a cam ($400), plugs, wires, pulley ($200), ported TB ($150) and have that put on and get it tuned.
All that will cost you <$4500 and you will have 425 HP. If that's not enough for you, ported heads are next.

alextaylor29
03-05-2004, 12:15 PM
Ahh, yes, I was aware of that. :) New motor is better then afterall?

alextaylor29
03-05-2004, 12:32 PM
Ok, thanks Jullian. And no, I haven't driven a car with 400+ HP on it. My stang was about 300 (it was a 5.0) and I had some mods on it.

So You're right, I shouldn't bite off more than I can chew. :)

Thanks again,

Alex

z98
03-05-2004, 01:41 PM
BEST ADVICE OF THE THREAD:

Stick around this forum a month or so, you'll have so many ideas for that $7000 you won't know what to do.

BigBronco
03-05-2004, 02:25 PM
or for that much money, start a new shortblock and start building it up! pre it for a turbo or S/C, or GIGGLE GAS. then you can drop that in and if it ever blows, you still have your stock ls1 to put in. you have to prepare.

if not i advise you to go look at our sponsors. stop by at ls1motorsports (QMP).

nitrous is cheap power. if you want that 700 rwhp everday, you are looking more towards 10,000 bucks on something of that sort. but in that money, you are looking at a bad ass tune and pretty reliable kit! ;)

good luck on your spending search for more power.

Gray

WECIV
03-05-2004, 03:51 PM
Lingenfelter is sweet but Julian rather hit it on the head.

2FAST4U
03-05-2004, 05:06 PM
Sorry I thought that was the of the turbonetics kit. When I bought my Incon that was the price of the single turbo! And yes I know it takes more time and money for 7xxhp that is why I said "depending on your setup". Some of you guys are very touchy!

slow
03-05-2004, 09:28 PM
I think he's saying you wouldn't be getting an all new motor from lingenfelter.
Have you ever driven a car with 450hp? :burn:
This is what I would do:
1. get your car
2. do intake lid ($100 do that yourself, its real easy) and tires if you need it.
3. Find a performance shop near you that works on LS1's, ask on here, drive a ways to it if you have to, its worth it.
4. Get an exhaust ($600), headers ($1100), SFC's ($200) and LCA's ($100) and have all that put on.
5. Drive it for a bit and start thinking about cams.
6. get a cam ($400), plugs, wires, pulley ($200), ported TB ($150) and have that put on and get it tuned.
All that will cost you <$4500 and you will have 425 HP. If that's not enough for you, ported heads are next.

what kind of cam only with boltons will give you 450 rwhp?

how is drivability, idle, ect? Where is the power range, and do you think the stock rod bolts are good enough for that power range?

I think im wasting my money on the blower, if a cam only car, gets good street manners, and puts 450 down without needing to spin to 7K plus ;)

Ryan

z98
03-07-2004, 09:03 AM
Good street manners is relative.

Do you want stock idle, stock gas mileage, smooth pull from 1000+ RPM?

Benjamin Russick
03-07-2004, 02:07 PM
There are no well-mannered, cam-only 450rwhp cars, period. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but take a lot of these rwhp claims with a grain of salt... A really good heads/cam combo will net you 450rwhp with tolerable driveability, but you won't mistake it for being stock. My 425rwhp set-up would make a lousy daily-driver. Of course, it all depends on the driver's threshold of annoyance...
Forced induction on an LS1 is a lot more involved than just slapping on a blower/turbo. Read the FI forum, if you don't believe me...

CamaroSS
03-07-2004, 02:14 PM
A head and cam package will get you well over 400 to the wheels. You will have extra money for exhaust, wheels, what ever, you can get a H/C install and purchased for less than $5000 with a tune too. I have head it done (not sure if it was a club discount) But LPE does good work for the big things (TTVette), and something like you want can be achieved easy with less money.

Good luck.

alextaylor29
03-07-2004, 05:58 PM
An SS would be my second car, I have a 2003 Modded Dodge Durango (0-60 MPH in 7 flat, not bad for a 4,600 lb SUV) but I would like it to be a functioning daily driver. Sounds like from what I'm reading, after you pass 400 HP at the Rear Wheels, the car becomes more 'annoying' which wouldn't work for me.

Still I know an 04 Z06 has 400 HP and they can be daily drivers.

I hear what you're all saying though, taking notes in fact, :D that 400 HP at the wheels would be about the limit of a daily driver's comfort level.

Good advice, thanks for posting.

Alex

Benjamin Russick
03-07-2004, 07:08 PM
Well a 03+ Z06 will only have 355-365rwhp, but it will also weigh anywhere from 250-500 lbs less than a F-body. You can be very streetable with 400rwhp, especially with a 6-spd. Like I said, it all depends on what you are willing to sacrifice for speed. For pure daily-driver, it's hard to beat a $600 nitrous kit...

jrp
03-07-2004, 11:01 PM
Well a 03+ Z06 will only have 355-365rwhp, but it will also weigh anywhere from 250-500 lbs less than a F-body. You can be very streetable with 400rwhp, especially with a 6-spd. Like I said, it all depends on what you are willing to sacrifice for speed. For pure daily-driver, it's hard to beat a $600 nitrous kit...

that is until you have to keep refilling the bottle ;)

but i agree with the rest of your sentiments :)

slow
03-08-2004, 07:42 AM
There are no well-mannered, cam-only 450rwhp cars, period. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but take a lot of these rwhp claims with a grain of salt... A really good heads/cam combo will net you 450rwhp with tolerable driveability, but you won't mistake it for being stock. My 425rwhp set-up would make a lousy daily-driver. Of course, it all depends on the driver's threshold of annoyance...
Forced induction on an LS1 is a lot more involved than just slapping on a blower/turbo. Read the FI forum, if you don't believe me...

Thank you, I knew this, but i had to call them out, on that claim, and why its not realistic for 95% of the board members, and their use of the car.

Sure, for a weekend warrior, it might be worth it, bit not for a daily driver ect.

..I know there is a lot more than slapping the blower on, ;) That is why it won't be installed until like decemeber. Too many supporting mods need to go along with it, clutch, fuel system, gauges, tuning, logging, im going to get a wideband, ect..
Ryan

98SS Blackattack
03-08-2004, 08:23 AM
This thread is getting crazy. First off you dont need 700hp to go fast. There are A4 cars with 370 at the wheels turning 10.9's. If it were me i would call TSP get PP LS6 st.2 heads and a tsp 231/237 and it will pull 450hp. Its proven time and again. The package is $2100. Most turbos are in the 500hp range and need alot of tuning. Its a constant process. They run into alot of little problems. If the TSP package isnt enough slap on a 100shot dry kit. There is 550rwhp and there goes the rearend. If you need more than 550hp then you are a track only car or you just flat out cant drive.JMO :usa:

Benjamin Russick
03-08-2004, 08:45 AM
Slow: I wasn't really directing those comments about "slapping" FI towards you, but just making a comment. I would like to throw a blower on top of my heads/cam car someday as an alternative to nitrous, but my TNT kit is a no fuss affair asides from filling the bottle.
98SS Blkatk: You make a good point. My car is probably slower than many cars with 150less HP because I can't stick (and my clucth slips on the squeeze). A well-sorted suspension is key to being quick...HP is for going fast.

slow
03-08-2004, 09:38 AM
Thats alright, I didn't take offence to the comment, :)

It is very true, there is a lot to a FI setup, not just teh blower... i'll have as much in supporting ods, as i will in the vortech kit, when its said and done.

Ryan

alextaylor29
03-08-2004, 02:23 PM
BlackAttack, you said, 'If it were me i would call TSP get PP LS6 st.2 heads and a tsp 231/237 and it will pull 450hp. Its proven time and again. The package is $2100.'

Who is TSP are they a sponsor here? If you could provide a link I'd greatly appreciate it.

Thanks,

Alex

Hayze
03-08-2004, 02:43 PM
Texas Speed and Performance
http://www.texas-speed.com/

alextaylor29
03-08-2004, 02:44 PM
Thanks.

jdp244
03-08-2004, 04:02 PM
a turbo or supercharger is nice and can make tons of power until it blows up your stock motor................and that is not nice so ya cant just figure the price of a turbo kit and think you will be done. then after ya blow your motor you will have to fix all the broken parts of your drivetrain. unless of course you run real low boost..... but whats the use????