View Full Version : My friends want to race!


Jake8493
04-26-2012, 05:44 PM
So my friend just sold his 2000 Mustang Gt with cold air intake, cat back exhaust, and a throttle body for a 2008 Mustang GT/CS with a cold air intake and tune. I raced his 2000 Gt and completely destroyed it, my friends v6 firebird with headers and ram air killed it too, but I was wondering how my 04 A4 GTO with Long Tube Headers and Cat back exhaust would fair against his new mustang. We will probably race a couple times from a stop and a roll. What do you all think the outcome will be assuming we both Drive perfectly, his mustang is a 5 speed btw.

V8EATR
04-26-2012, 05:55 PM
if he is stock you will win. Once he get a cai/tune and some exhaust work he might give ya a run though.

ULTIMATEORANGESS
04-26-2012, 06:04 PM
youre faster. he might hook better but you should run him down. a stall with sticky tires would make him cry.




from a roll you should with not much effort.

breze84
04-26-2012, 07:10 PM
Not even a question if you will win....

Jake8493
04-26-2012, 09:48 PM
I don't know if he is got the Tune yet but he definitely has the cold air intake

V8EATR
04-27-2012, 01:26 PM
a tune is a 20+whp gain on those cars. They run 18* WOT timing from the factory (tuned for 87 octane) and I ran 31* on mine on 93. I ran a 12.9@107 in decent air with intake/tune/offroad x and street tires.

gmantheman
04-29-2012, 11:11 PM
It will be a close race. I owned a 2006 Mustang GT with intake, tune, mild cams, UDP and 4.10s and I was able to run neck and neck with an 06 GTO that had a tune at the strip. Both of us had sticky tires.

Jake8493
04-30-2012, 11:42 AM
That's a lot of work to just keep up with an 06 with a tune

impulsegoat
04-30-2012, 01:08 PM
that's a lot of work to just keep up with an 06 with a tune

+1...

gmantheman
04-30-2012, 01:32 PM
That's a lot of work to just keep up with an 06 with a tune
True but you have to figure that a stock mustang will be putting down about 100 less hp. Even with my mods I was putting down 320-325 hp/ 319 tq and the GTO was probably putting down close to 375.

V8EATR
04-30-2012, 03:11 PM
^ hey, its 3vs197 from s197 forum. Yea mine with nsr cams, full bolt ons and 4.10's ran a 12.60@110 with 330/319. 1.73 short time on street tires. Like I said, car looked and sounded good but would take an awful lot to take down an LS2 GTO.

Jake8493
04-30-2012, 04:18 PM
mine is just an ls1 though. with headers and a catback

gmantheman
04-30-2012, 04:21 PM
^ hey, its 3vs197 from s197 forum. Yea mine with nsr cams, full bolt ons and 4.10's ran a 12.60@110 with 330/319. 1.73 short time on street tires. Like I said, car looked and sounded good but would take an awful lot to take down an LS2 GTO.
That's not me but I know who you are talking about. I myself didn't believe he cut a 1.73 60' on Firestones. I agree that it does take a lot to take down an LS2 but stock for stock they about even with an LS1.
Sadly my Mustang never got into the 12s. Best time was 13.185 at 103.99 and that's with a 1.7XX 60' on both E.T streets and M&H

gmantheman
04-30-2012, 04:24 PM
mine is just an ls1 though. with headers and a catback
It will be a driver's race.

impulsegoat
05-01-2012, 04:44 PM
It will be a driver's race.

So my friend just sold his 2000 Mustang Gt with cold air intake, cat back exhaust, and a throttle body for a 2008 Mustang GT/CS with a cold air intake and tune. I raced his 2000 Gt and completely destroyed it, my friends v6 firebird with headers and ram air killed it too, but I was wondering how my 04 A4 GTO with Long Tube Headers and Cat back exhaust would fair against his new mustang. We will probably race a couple times from a stop and a roll. What do you all think the outcome will be assuming we both Drive perfectly, his mustang is a 5 speed btw.

Now that we are perfectly clear on whats racing what, the GTO with LT's will win hands down. Now if it were a new 5.0 it would be a totally different story. Run him and post up how it goes. My guess is 3-4 cars from any type of race he wants.

gmantheman
05-01-2012, 05:08 PM
Now that we are perfectly clear on whats racing what, the GTO with LT's will win hands down. Now if it were a new 5.0 it would be a totally different story. Run him and post up how it goes. My guess is 3-4 cars from any type of race he wants.
I think it will be a drivers race. Stock for stock an 04 GTO and 05-10 Mustang GT should be fairly even. Both run about mid 13s stock. L/T should be good for about 15-20 hp but an intake and tune will be good for at least 25 hp on the mustang.

impulsegoat
05-01-2012, 05:19 PM
I think it will be a drivers race. Stock for stock an 04 GTO and 05-10 Mustang GT should be fairly even. Both run about mid 13s stock. L/T should be good for about 15-20 hp but an intake and tune will be good for at least 25 hp on the mustang.

So your saying they are even stock for stock, and that the cai is a bigger power gain on the mustang than the LT's are on the GTO? Seems a bit off to me. I can agree to disagree until he actually runs him and lets us know though.

gmantheman
05-01-2012, 08:58 PM
So your saying they are even stock for stock, and that the cai is a bigger power gain on the mustang than the LT's are on the GTO? Seems a bit off to me. I can agree to disagree until he actually runs him and lets us know though.
CAI and tune is a decent gain for the mustang. My mustang with just a UDP dynoed around 275-280/ 280/285 depending the dyno. With a CAI and tune it dynoed 298/309. Just a CAI on a mustang will net an almost 0 gain. In fact only a few CAIs can be used without a tune.

V8EATR
05-02-2012, 12:17 PM
lol people still don't believe I ran a 1.73 short time with Fuzions. Not my average by any means but I did it. I averaged probably a 1.80ish. And yes a tune on a 05+ GT is huge. Headers aren't worth shit on those cars though. I was able to give my 05 12 more *'s of timing on pump gas, huge SOTP difference. But I gotta give it to the LS car with LT's though.

gmantheman
05-02-2012, 01:39 PM
^I thought in your last post that you were implying that I was 3vs197. Both 3vs197 and V8EATER are familiar screen names at S197forum. I am the one who totaled the mustang at the track

impulsegoat
05-02-2012, 02:52 PM
CAI and tune is a decent gain for the mustang. My mustang with just a UDP dynoed around 275-280/ 280/285 depending the dyno. With a CAI and tune it dynoed 298/309. Just a CAI on a mustang will net an almost 0 gain. In fact only a few CAIs can be used without a tune.

You do realize that a bone stock 04 GTO dyno's almost exactly those numbers right? A 6spd makes even a little more stock. I would bet that the OP's car is making anywhere from 325-335hp and similar torque.

gmantheman
05-02-2012, 06:33 PM
You do realize that a bone stock 04 GTO dyno's almost exactly those numbers right? A 6spd makes even a little more stock. I would bet that the OP's car is making anywhere from 325-335hp and similar torque.
I know how much 04 GTOs dyno. Mine dynoed 330/320 with a comp 222/222 cam and stock manifold and cats. The mustang does have a weight advantage. I will say from a dig, I think the mustang will edge it out unless they run a pretty long distance but from a roll, the GTO might take it.

impulsegoat
05-02-2012, 10:30 PM
Just curious how much of a weight advantage the mustang has over the GTO? I would assume they would race to at least 100 from any type of race which would be plenty of time for the GTO to real him in and pass him.

SVTconfused
05-02-2012, 10:45 PM
sad when my stock 5000lb brick will run door to door or walk the majority of the mustangs with cai and tunes...

Sad

gmantheman
05-02-2012, 11:45 PM
Weight difference is 240-250 LBS. Here is a motortrend test of both cars.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0312_2004_pontiac_gto/viewall.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0411_2005_ford_mustang_gt/viewall.html
In these test the GTO does reach 100 a few ticks faster but they are evenly matched in the 1/4. I know different drivers and different driving conditions but these cars are pretty evenly matched.

impulsegoat
05-03-2012, 12:37 AM
Weight difference is 240-250 LBS. Here is a motortrend test of both cars.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0312_2004_pontiac_gto/viewall.html
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0411_2005_ford_mustang_gt/viewall.html
In these test the GTO does reach 100 a few ticks faster but they are evenly matched in the 1/4. I know different drivers and different driving conditions but these cars are pretty evenly matched.

The stang trapped 99.9mph compared to the GTO's 104.78mph. So in theory for them both to have run 13.6s the stang would have to pull a pretty impressive 60ft time. I will stand by my 3-4 car length prediction. I have also never lost to an 05-10 GT with equal mods.

gmantheman
05-03-2012, 01:04 AM
I think because of the solid rear axle, the Mustang is a bit easier to launch. Without proper suspension set-ups I imagine both cars would experience some degree of wheel hop but it would be more prevalent with the GTO. And the 99.7 or so trap for the mustang is actually one of the slowest I have seen. I have seen other test that had an 08 Buillitt mustang which is only 15 more hp than reg GT reach 100 in 12.7 seconds and trap at nearly 103 in the 1/4.
I myself wouldn't mind running a few 05-10 mustang gts to see how I would fair.

WhiteKnight '01
05-03-2012, 01:08 AM
You're talking about a 375HP car vs a 325HP car...which do you think is going to win?

The only advantage the Mustang has is manual, and that's if he can drive, and then weight. But that's a 50HP difference.

Jake8493
05-03-2012, 01:11 AM
I just got back in town tonight. Probably be racing tomorrow night I'm going to try and get a video if possible. I rode in his mustang tonight it's pretty quick

WhiteKnight '01
05-03-2012, 01:13 AM
I just got back in town tonight. Probably be racing tomorrow night I'm going to try and get a video if possible. I rode in his mustang tonight it's pretty quick

Don't be fooled. A lot of cars feel fast when you're riding in the passenger seat, it's because you don't know what to expect and can't prepare yourself for what's about to happen.

My car actually feels like a beast when I ride in the passenger seat and someone else is driving. But when I drive it, it feels like a turd.

ldyzluvdis06
05-03-2012, 02:13 AM
My car actually feels like a beast when I ride in the passenger seat and someone else is driving. But when I drive it, it feels like a turd.

i seriously just LOL'd

WhiteKnight '01
05-03-2012, 02:14 AM
i seriously just LOL'd

You're welcome?

impulsegoat
05-03-2012, 11:31 AM
I just got back in town tonight. Probably be racing tomorrow night I'm going to try and get a video if possible. I rode in his mustang tonight it's pretty quick

I'll be happy to see the stang in the rear view once you finally run him. So your car is untuned with the stock airbox?

Also, what headers are you running? and what type of exhaust?

Jake8493
05-04-2012, 11:45 AM
Untuned, Stock Airbox, Pacesetter coated headers flowmaster catback (i hate it), catless mid pipes

gmantheman
05-04-2012, 01:58 PM
You don't like the sound of the flows? I have flows on my car and I love the sound.

Jake8493
05-04-2012, 07:36 PM
mine are like the super 40 or something way to quiet

gconnoyer
05-04-2012, 08:14 PM
Yeah thats what I have on mine. LTs, no cats, 3"....too quiet.

gmantheman
05-04-2012, 11:45 PM
I put flows on mine to quiet it down. When I bought the car it had L/T, catted X and spintechs. It was way too loud.

impulsegoat
05-05-2012, 01:18 AM
What's the hold up on running this guy?? Im ready for results.

04gto5.7
05-05-2012, 01:22 AM
Hey jake hold off on buying an exhaust mine might not work if not I'll sell you mine offroad mids,spin tech xpipe and mufflers, I also has flows on my car at first I gained 5 tenths by taking them off

Jake8493
05-06-2012, 01:06 AM
Well sorry to say but no race. We were both on the interstate and he wouldn't even attempt to get next to me. Raced my friends bolt on cammed v6 firebird LOL i'm sure you know how that ended up. I did race an SRT8 Charger today which wasn't planned at all, we ran from about 40-100 in which we stayed dead even and then I started pulling and he let off I was really surprised thought I was gonna get my ass whopped.

Jake8493
05-06-2012, 01:08 AM
Hey jake hold off on buying an exhaust mine might not work if not I'll sell you mine offroad mids,spin tech xpipe and mufflers, I also has flows on my car at first I gained 5 tenths by taking them off

Sounds Good I will be heading out to Fort Lewis Monday and expecting to get there Wednesday night gonna be a long boring drive lol

04gto5.7
05-07-2012, 12:36 AM
yeah those srt8 are slow but i have seen some fast ones lol

Jake8493
05-09-2012, 10:14 AM
You can always make something fast though lol

impulsegoat
05-09-2012, 01:16 PM
So this kid "wanted to race" and when the time came he folded. GTO for the win by default then. Everyone knows you would have took him including him.

Jake8493
05-10-2012, 01:14 AM
I would have lol he can't drive for sh*t