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10-10-2014, 11:38 PM
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?? on a transmission I'm installing a transmission to my motor. Someone told me that there has to be a gap in between the torque converter and the flex plate if so how do I do that?
10-11-2014, 12:41 AM
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Credit Vince B here moderator here on LS1 Tech, This is a copy and paste from one of his posts on another forum.
Torque Converter Installation Check Your Spacing
This topic of discussion seems to be one that I constantly get asked. With the help of Terry of Precision Industries aka Vig converters I wanted to post this. This text is what comes with all converters that they have built in the past few weeks. The idea for me here was really about converter spacing. The problem we face as builders is guy's do not get the converter in all the way and break the pump and converter on the install. Or do not get the spacing correct and damage a pump and converter down the road. I was basically posting the directions that PI is now supplying.I feel that it is good stuff and wanted to share with all of you. Here it is.
Torque Converter Installation
1. Using a lift or jack stands raise car off the ground far enough to be able to slide transmission out from under the vehicle.
2. After the vehicle is raised, drain the transmission fluid into a drain pan by removing the pan bolts from the rear half of the pan then slowly loosen the remaining bolts to allow pan to tilt down towards the ground allowing the fluid to drain into the drain pan.
3. Remove the battery cable, starter (if necessary), driveshaft, torque converter bolts, exhaust (if
necessary), cross member and all of the transmission bolts except for one near the dowel pin.
4. Raise the transmission up slightly by placing a suitable transmission jack under the transmission.
5. Remove the last bellhousing bolt and remove the transmission.
6. Check the flexplate for cracks and chipped teeth on the ring gear. Take the new torque converter and hold it against the flexplate to see if the application is correct by checking that the pilot size and bolt circle are correct.
7. Add a quart of new transmission fluid to the torque converter. Using the aid of a helper, stand the transmission on the tail shaft and carefully install the torque converter onto the transmission. Spin the torque converter and listen for 3 distinct clicks as it drops into the transmission. The following are measurements you can make to insure the torque converter is all the way in the transmission:
GM-TH350, Powerglide=1.125" from bellhousing to the converter pads.
GM TH400 = 1.187" from bellhousing to converter pads.
GM 700 R4, 4L60E, 200-4R = 1.125" from bellhousing to converter pads.
GM 4L80E = 1.030" from bellhousing to converter pads.
Distance may vary +/- .050".
8. Remove any debris in the crankshaft pilot hole and lubricate. Clean and lubricate the dowel pins. Check to see that dowel pins will be in the transmission bellhousing by more than .250".
9. Mount transmission to the back of the engine block making sure the bellhousing fits squarely against the block. If it does not, find out why! Is there something between the bellhousing and block or has the torque converter slipped out of the transmission? DO NOT PULL UP THE
BELLHOUSING TO THE BLOCK USING THE BELLHOUSING BOLTS!!!!
10.After the transmission bellhousing bolts are tightened, check to see if the torque converter will turn by hand. Push the torque converter back into the transmission as far as it will go. Using feeler gauges or calipers measure the gap between the flexplate converter mounting pad and the torque converter mounting pad. If gap distance is between .060" and .187" it is OK to bolt up the torque converter. If the gap is greater than .187" install a .060" flat washer between the torque converter and flexplate.
11. Finish installing the cross member, exhaust, driveshaft, etc. Add 5 quarts of good quality transmission fluid. Start the engine and immediately add 2 more quarts. Check the fluid and finish filling the transmission to proper level.
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Torque Converter Installation Check Your Spacing
This topic of discussion seems to be one that I constantly get asked. With the help of Terry of Precision Industries aka Vig converters I wanted to post this. This text is what comes with all converters that they have built in the past few weeks. The idea for me here was really about converter spacing. The problem we face as builders is guy's do not get the converter in all the way and break the pump and converter on the install. Or do not get the spacing correct and damage a pump and converter down the road. I was basically posting the directions that PI is now supplying.I feel that it is good stuff and wanted to share with all of you. Here it is.
Torque Converter Installation
1. Using a lift or jack stands raise car off the ground far enough to be able to slide transmission out from under the vehicle.
2. After the vehicle is raised, drain the transmission fluid into a drain pan by removing the pan bolts from the rear half of the pan then slowly loosen the remaining bolts to allow pan to tilt down towards the ground allowing the fluid to drain into the drain pan.
3. Remove the battery cable, starter (if necessary), driveshaft, torque converter bolts, exhaust (if
necessary), cross member and all of the transmission bolts except for one near the dowel pin.
4. Raise the transmission up slightly by placing a suitable transmission jack under the transmission.
5. Remove the last bellhousing bolt and remove the transmission.
6. Check the flexplate for cracks and chipped teeth on the ring gear. Take the new torque converter and hold it against the flexplate to see if the application is correct by checking that the pilot size and bolt circle are correct.
7. Add a quart of new transmission fluid to the torque converter. Using the aid of a helper, stand the transmission on the tail shaft and carefully install the torque converter onto the transmission. Spin the torque converter and listen for 3 distinct clicks as it drops into the transmission. The following are measurements you can make to insure the torque converter is all the way in the transmission:
GM-TH350, Powerglide=1.125" from bellhousing to the converter pads.
GM TH400 = 1.187" from bellhousing to converter pads.
GM 700 R4, 4L60E, 200-4R = 1.125" from bellhousing to converter pads.
GM 4L80E = 1.030" from bellhousing to converter pads.
Distance may vary +/- .050".
8. Remove any debris in the crankshaft pilot hole and lubricate. Clean and lubricate the dowel pins. Check to see that dowel pins will be in the transmission bellhousing by more than .250".
9. Mount transmission to the back of the engine block making sure the bellhousing fits squarely against the block. If it does not, find out why! Is there something between the bellhousing and block or has the torque converter slipped out of the transmission? DO NOT PULL UP THE
BELLHOUSING TO THE BLOCK USING THE BELLHOUSING BOLTS!!!!
10.After the transmission bellhousing bolts are tightened, check to see if the torque converter will turn by hand. Push the torque converter back into the transmission as far as it will go. Using feeler gauges or calipers measure the gap between the flexplate converter mounting pad and the torque converter mounting pad. If gap distance is between .060" and .187" it is OK to bolt up the torque converter. If the gap is greater than .187" install a .060" flat washer between the torque converter and flexplate.
11. Finish installing the cross member, exhaust, driveshaft, etc. Add 5 quarts of good quality transmission fluid. Start the engine and immediately add 2 more quarts. Check the fluid and finish filling the transmission to proper level.
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10-11-2014, 08:36 AM
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A lot of people skip step 7 (measuring the distance) and therefore don't know that the converter is not fully seated. The result is that when they tightly bolt up the trans, the converter smashes into the pump rotor, ruining the pump. If they manage the start the engine, the pump is shredded, spreading metal chips throughout the trans, converter and cooler.
My modification of step 9 is to only finger (!) tighten the bellhousing bolts. I ensure there is a converter to flexplate gap BEFORE I torque the bolts.
For step 10, I find it easier to use drill bits to determine what the gap is. 1/16" is the minimum, 1/8" is the optimum. 3/16" is the max. If you have to add washers to reduce the gap, use calipers to match the thickness of the three washers.
In step 11, the initial 5 quarts is NOT enough if this is a fresh rebuild. I suggest adding fluid until the the dipstick reads full with the engine OFF. You will still need to add a few quarts after starting the engine, but it is enough to safely start it.
My modification of step 9 is to only finger (!) tighten the bellhousing bolts. I ensure there is a converter to flexplate gap BEFORE I torque the bolts.
For step 10, I find it easier to use drill bits to determine what the gap is. 1/16" is the minimum, 1/8" is the optimum. 3/16" is the max. If you have to add washers to reduce the gap, use calipers to match the thickness of the three washers.
In step 11, the initial 5 quarts is NOT enough if this is a fresh rebuild. I suggest adding fluid until the the dipstick reads full with the engine OFF. You will still need to add a few quarts after starting the engine, but it is enough to safely start it.