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You ship the item by the method you choose in your listing man, not what the buyer chooses. PayPals user agreement states that an item over $250 requires signature and delivery confirmation. If you choose not to follow that rule as a seller then its your own fault. You are all talk of the user agreement yet you dont even know what it says. You must use PayPal's user agreement and yes im all full of **** ive only worked here for 3 years I know nothing right. I dont go telling you, that you know nothing about your job, so dont start telling that with me. In your instance you agreed upon the cheaper shipping method, im sure your item was over $250 therefore the buyer had to confirm delivery b/c you didnt have signature confirmation (your fault not paypals). I already explained this earlier to you.
Now items on PayPal are covered up to the full amount not $200 or $2000 like they were before, so if the item is purchased through eBay and paypal is used to pay, as a buyer your covered for the full amount now. The only time paypal will recover a partial or no amount is if the item is not purchased through ebay in which there is no buyer protection. I read nicks listing and as i stated earlier, its very easy for most people to understand, however fact of the matter it still has a contradictory statement. I'm not going to continue this argument with you anymore and you can continue posting if you like, I simply ask that you stop posting what you think paypal is going to do b/c your knowledge of paypal is incorrect in many ways.
Now items on PayPal are covered up to the full amount not $200 or $2000 like they were before, so if the item is purchased through eBay and paypal is used to pay, as a buyer your covered for the full amount now. The only time paypal will recover a partial or no amount is if the item is not purchased through ebay in which there is no buyer protection. I read nicks listing and as i stated earlier, its very easy for most people to understand, however fact of the matter it still has a contradictory statement. I'm not going to continue this argument with you anymore and you can continue posting if you like, I simply ask that you stop posting what you think paypal is going to do b/c your knowledge of paypal is incorrect in many ways.
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Like I said, if you FULLY read the user agreement, can even understand it, and can live with always being on the crap end of the stick to make or save a few bucks, than all is good on planet eBay.
Most people don't understand and can't follow the user agreement because the majority of it involves rules in place to cover paypal and ebay should the situation ever arise for the implimentation of said rules. The fact that the "user" -in most cases- has never had to deal with such altercation is the bases for them not understanding the rules, thier meaning, how they effect the user and when, and why they are even in place. ...ergo, they simply go to the bottom of the page and hit "agree".
Most people don't understand and can't follow the user agreement because the majority of it involves rules in place to cover paypal and ebay should the situation ever arise for the implimentation of said rules. The fact that the "user" -in most cases- has never had to deal with such altercation is the bases for them not understanding the rules, thier meaning, how they effect the user and when, and why they are even in place. ...ergo, they simply go to the bottom of the page and hit "agree".
I've had moronic and/or dishonest customers place an order and then deny the charges. Once that happens you can dispute. If they continue to dispute you can try to fight it. If the customer disputes it again it's pretty much a done deal.
I know I've been there a few times. I've even called the customers personally and they tell me " we'll call the credit card company and take care of it. " and they never do.
Some people are real pieces of work, I'll tell you. Sign of the time I guess.
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regarding your other post...its not about the money, its the principle of it...i can live without $69 ....
regarding this post...if anyone with common sense would understand my listing why am i the one getting screwed??? because thats the policy? then the policy is wrong...its that simple....just cuz its the current policy doesnt mean its the right policy
regarding this post...if anyone with common sense would understand my listing why am i the one getting screwed??? because thats the policy? then the policy is wrong...its that simple....just cuz its the current policy doesnt mean its the right policy
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wait we have someone working for paypal in here?? lol i would like to kindly ask you to sabotage the paypal servers or something because they are the most crooked organization i have ever come across nothing against the people working there as there usually helpfull but as for the company itself Its terrible. I understand where the thread originater is coming from, once i paid a guy $1,100 bucks for something he never sent and paypal did NOTHING about it, yet when i sell a guy something where he failed to read the descritption paypal gladly took his side and took the money out of my bank account, I would personally like to say screw paypal they should get another class action suit.
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wait we have someone working for paypal in here?? lol i would like to kindly ask you to sabotage the paypal servers or something because they are the most crooked organization i have ever come across nothing against the people working there as there usually helpfull but as for the company itself Its terrible. I understand where the thread originater is coming from, once i paid a guy $1,100 bucks for something he never sent and paypal did NOTHING about it, yet when i sell a guy something where he failed to read the descritption paypal gladly took his side and took the money out of my bank account, I would personally like to say screw paypal they should get another class action suit.
I spoke with cajun about his situation in the stickies about paypal that you can read also and things are looking good for him, I'm not going to go over his PayPal account or situation, however if he feels like sharing hes more than welcome.
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You ship the item by the method you choose in your listing man, not what the buyer chooses. PayPals user agreement states that an item over $250 requires signature and delivery confirmation. If you choose not to follow that rule as a seller then its your own fault. You are all talk of the user agreement yet you dont even know what it says. You must use PayPal's user agreement and yes im all full of **** ive only worked here for 3 years I know nothing right. I dont go telling you, that you know nothing about your job, so dont start telling that with me. In your instance you agreed upon the cheaper shipping method, im sure your item was over $250 therefore the buyer had to confirm delivery b/c you didnt have signature confirmation (your fault not paypals). I already explained this earlier to you.
Now items on PayPal are covered up to the full amount not $200 or $2000 like they were before, so if the item is purchased through eBay and paypal is used to pay, as a buyer your covered for the full amount now. The only time paypal will recover a partial or no amount is if the item is not purchased through ebay in which there is no buyer protection. I read nicks listing and as i stated earlier, its very easy for most people to understand, however fact of the matter it still has a contradictory statement. I'm not going to continue this argument with you anymore and you can continue posting if you like, I simply ask that you stop posting what you think paypal is going to do b/c your knowledge of paypal is incorrect in many ways.
Now items on PayPal are covered up to the full amount not $200 or $2000 like they were before, so if the item is purchased through eBay and paypal is used to pay, as a buyer your covered for the full amount now. The only time paypal will recover a partial or no amount is if the item is not purchased through ebay in which there is no buyer protection. I read nicks listing and as i stated earlier, its very easy for most people to understand, however fact of the matter it still has a contradictory statement. I'm not going to continue this argument with you anymore and you can continue posting if you like, I simply ask that you stop posting what you think paypal is going to do b/c your knowledge of paypal is incorrect in many ways.
What I chose to do for the buyer in shipping isn't in dispute here. That the buyer chose to open a paypal dispute with me because thier item didn't show up within the 9 days that they expected it to isn't in dispute here. What paypal did to make the situation worse for all parties involved, is what I have a problem with. I learned the HARD WAY about your user agreement. As a LOT of other people can attest, it isn't in place to help any of us. It is in place to cover ebay and paypal.
I'm not telling you how to do you job. In fact, you are actually an excellent paypal puppet. And you are right. I will post what I will. And again, I say what I do out of personal experience with eBay and paypal. If paypal has "changed it's evil ways recently", than so be it. But I can't tell. You keep telling me my "knowledge is incorrect". But you fail to prove my points as invalid. The user agreement is not in question here. What paypal does to people under protection of its own user agreement IS. Anyone want to see my proof, hit me up via pm.
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I certainly appreciate your opinion of the company and like most responses from people, yours also makes no sense as to how paypal operates. There are a lot of details left out of your situation. First off PayPal can not just take money from your bank account without you authorizing it, however paypal can take your PayPal account negative. I dont know or care to look at a situation that is much in the past now but im sure I could find a lot of things to educate you on about what happened.
I spoke with cajun about his situation in the stickies about paypal that you can read also and things are looking good for him, I'm not going to go over his PayPal account or situation, however if he feels like sharing hes more than welcome.
I spoke with cajun about his situation in the stickies about paypal that you can read also and things are looking good for him, I'm not going to go over his PayPal account or situation, however if he feels like sharing hes more than welcome.
I can't think of ANYONE that I would hand my credit card and pin number too, friends or otherwise. Why on hell's creation would I want to give some faceless entity of a corporation open access to my credit account? -certainly not for my benefit or in my best interests.
And of course he authorized it. He had to in advance just to be able to do business on ebay. The problem here is that the advanced authorization allows paypal to draw whatever it wants, whenever it wants from your personal account, regardless of whether it overdraws your account or puts you in the red. How do I know this? Because paypal has overdrawn my personal account on several occasions and forced me to open a "nonoverdraw" debit card account just for use with paypal... which I highly recommend for everyone else here too.
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OK..and here's the OTHER problem with paypal under catagory of bank account issues;
I can't think of ANYONE that I would hand my credit card and pin number too, friends or otherwise. Why on hell's creation would I want to give some faceless entity of a corporation open access to my credit account? -certainly not for my benefit or in my best interests.
And of course he authorized it. He had to in advance just to be able to do business on ebay. The problem here is that the advanced authorization allows paypal to draw whatever it wants, whenever it wants from your personal account, regardless of whether it overdraws your account or puts you in the red. How do I know this? Because paypal has overdrawn my personal account on several occasions and forced me to open a "nonoverdraw" debit card account just for use with paypal... which I highly recommend for everyone else here too.
I can't think of ANYONE that I would hand my credit card and pin number too, friends or otherwise. Why on hell's creation would I want to give some faceless entity of a corporation open access to my credit account? -certainly not for my benefit or in my best interests.
And of course he authorized it. He had to in advance just to be able to do business on ebay. The problem here is that the advanced authorization allows paypal to draw whatever it wants, whenever it wants from your personal account, regardless of whether it overdraws your account or puts you in the red. How do I know this? Because paypal has overdrawn my personal account on several occasions and forced me to open a "nonoverdraw" debit card account just for use with paypal... which I highly recommend for everyone else here too.
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i try to never use paypal after two seperat ocasions i sent items that where recieved but because it wasnt a signature confirmation i got screwed, also sold a paint gun for almost 400 bucs buyer started a claim like two months later, said it was in non workin order which was a lie, anyways filed a claim through all headache i even offered a refund if i recieved my item back in the condition it was sent, and he refused to send my paint gun back and demanded a refund needless to say payal gave him a refund and i never saw my paint gun again or my money
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After reading your posts you seriously have no idea what the hell your talking about. I'm sorry but your posts are completely far fetched from what actually happens. Like i said im done arguing a never ending battle with you. If you dont like the service stop complaining about it and just dont use it anymore.
Either you really DON'T have any idea what the company you say you have worked for the last three years is doing to people, or you don't care. If the latter is true, you are being paid to be a paypal puppet here on LS1tech. You HAVE to be smarter than you sound. So I'm going to assume that is true. My posts are what has happened to me in dealing with ebay and paypal. I am leaning into you because this is the most nonautomated response I have EVER received from paypal.. although not any more intelligent. I am leaning into you because it really kicks my a$$ when good people are taken advantage of because they don't know what they can expect from a corporation like paypal, thier rights, or simply that they deserve better in treatment for the exorbatent fees extracted from them.
What? You don't like hearing the truth? Did your company only give you enough leash to shine people on and not actually DO anything to help us? Or did they not give you enough training to deal with someone who has enough experience on the **** end of your business practices to know better? It is only a "neverending battle" when you choose not to do the right thing and actually help some of these people instead of spewing rules.
BTW, the reason I'm "believed" is that there are MANY more people just like me who have had the SAME experiences with ebay and paypal. But I'll do you a favor; I've said what I have to say. The guys and gals here have heard me. And they know the truth when they hear it. So, unless you have something else dumb to say to me, I'll mellow out.
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I didnt even read your whole post and cant believe your still ranting, i only got bits and pieces and so far all I see is you still complaining about something your not going to use . Once again I will say what your saying is far fetched from ME dealing with people here at paypal. I have several success stories i can share from helping people on here, but guess what when things go right people dont post up. When theres a problem, oh you can bet your going to post about it. Sorry to tell you but out of the millions and millions of customers we have, we actually only talk to about 10% of the users, that means the other 90% are not having any problems, so put that into your little perspective book. Now once again I am going to ask nicely that you do NOT tell me how I do my job or my role here. There are few things I will get upset about and telling me how I do my job is one of them. Continue your ranting and I am going to ask a moderator to lock this thread and no longer continue to offer assistance to members ON MY OWN TIME b/c of people like you who wont STFU. Now go enjoy the rest of your day and stop posting here, I can prove you wrong in so many ways I just choose not to have a battle b/c you seem like the type of person that no matter even if your proven wrong, your still right.
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I didnt even read your whole post and cant believe your still ranting, i only got bits and pieces and so far all I see is you still complaining about something your not going to use . Once again I will say what your saying is far fetched from ME dealing with people here at paypal. I have several success stories i can share from helping people on here, but guess what when things go right people dont post up. When theres a problem, oh you can bet your going to post about it. Sorry to tell you but out of the millions and millions of customers we have, we actually only talk to about 10% of the users, that means the other 90% are not having any problems, so put that into your little perspective book. Now once again I am going to ask nicely that you do NOT tell me how I do my job or my role here. There are few things I will get upset about and telling me how I do my job is one of them. Continue your ranting and I am going to ask a moderator to lock this thread and no longer continue to offer assistance to members ON MY OWN TIME b/c of people like you who wont STFU. Now go enjoy the rest of your day and stop posting here, I can prove you wrong in so many ways I just choose not to have a battle b/c you seem like the type of person that no matter even if your proven wrong, your still right.
I wouldn't be bragging about a 10% incident rate with my customers, companies without a monopoly like Paypal would go under with that poor of service. That does not mean that the other 90% are satisfied either. I've never talked to a Paypal rep before and I dislike Paypal so much I would switch companies at the first opportunity.
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I wouldn't be bragging about a 10% incident rate with my customers, companies without a monopoly like Paypal would go under with that poor of service. That does not mean that the other 90% are satisfied either. I've never talked to a Paypal rep before and I dislike Paypal so much I would switch companies at the first opportunity.
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That used to be the case. But the Federal Credit Union here says that once you give a company your account and routing numbers, you can't keep them out of your account short of shutting it down and starting a new one. Usually, problems like this occur with money drawn from an account supporting a debit card by echeck. The exception to this may be if the money was drawn directly from an actual credit card. Credit card companies will actually draw the money back and go to bat for you in disputes like this.
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You keep saying the same thing over and over as well, theres already a sticky with paypal info so there is no need to have another one open with incorrect information that YOU are providing. I keep repeating myself b/c im not going to get a 30+ page thread going arguing with you about it. Plus I could prove you wrong but i want nothing to do with looking into your account to do it. So fair enough sounds like we just end our discussion amongst one another. This will be my last post in this thread.
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lookout below, i sense another post from miller is coming!