What do you guys think of Lingenfelter?
03-05-2004, 05:06 PM
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Sorry I thought that was the of the turbonetics kit. When I bought my Incon that was the price of the single turbo! And yes I know it takes more time and money for 7xxhp that is why I said "depending on your setup". Some of you guys are very touchy!
03-05-2004, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Julian
I think he's saying you wouldn't be getting an all new motor from lingenfelter.
Have you ever driven a car with 450hp?
This is what I would do:
1. get your car
2. do intake lid ($100 do that yourself, its real easy) and tires if you need it.
3. Find a performance shop near you that works on LS1's, ask on here, drive a ways to it if you have to, its worth it.
4. Get an exhaust ($600), headers ($1100), SFC's ($200) and LCA's ($100) and have all that put on.
5. Drive it for a bit and start thinking about cams.
6. get a cam ($400), plugs, wires, pulley ($200), ported TB ($150) and have that put on and get it tuned.
All that will cost you <$4500 and you will have 425 HP. If that's not enough for you, ported heads are next.
Have you ever driven a car with 450hp?
This is what I would do:
1. get your car
2. do intake lid ($100 do that yourself, its real easy) and tires if you need it.
3. Find a performance shop near you that works on LS1's, ask on here, drive a ways to it if you have to, its worth it.
4. Get an exhaust ($600), headers ($1100), SFC's ($200) and LCA's ($100) and have all that put on.
5. Drive it for a bit and start thinking about cams.
6. get a cam ($400), plugs, wires, pulley ($200), ported TB ($150) and have that put on and get it tuned.
All that will cost you <$4500 and you will have 425 HP. If that's not enough for you, ported heads are next.
how is drivability, idle, ect? Where is the power range, and do you think the stock rod bolts are good enough for that power range?
I think im wasting my money on the blower, if a cam only car, gets good street manners, and puts 450 down without needing to spin to 7K plus
Ryan
03-07-2004, 02:07 PM
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There are no well-mannered, cam-only 450rwhp cars, period. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but take a lot of these rwhp claims with a grain of salt... A really good heads/cam combo will net you 450rwhp with tolerable driveability, but you won't mistake it for being stock. My 425rwhp set-up would make a lousy daily-driver. Of course, it all depends on the driver's threshold of annoyance...
Forced induction on an LS1 is a lot more involved than just slapping on a blower/turbo. Read the FI forum, if you don't believe me...
Forced induction on an LS1 is a lot more involved than just slapping on a blower/turbo. Read the FI forum, if you don't believe me...
03-07-2004, 02:14 PM
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A head and cam package will get you well over 400 to the wheels. You will have extra money for exhaust, wheels, what ever, you can get a H/C install and purchased for less than $5000 with a tune too. I have head it done (not sure if it was a club discount) But LPE does good work for the big things (TTVette), and something like you want can be achieved easy with less money.
Good luck.
Good luck.
03-07-2004, 05:58 PM
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An SS would be my second car, I have a 2003 Modded Dodge Durango (0-60 MPH in 7 flat, not bad for a 4,600 lb SUV) but I would like it to be a functioning daily driver. Sounds like from what I'm reading, after you pass 400 HP at the Rear Wheels, the car becomes more 'annoying' which wouldn't work for me.
Still I know an 04 Z06 has 400 HP and they can be daily drivers.
I hear what you're all saying though, taking notes in fact,
that 400 HP at the wheels would be about the limit of a daily driver's comfort level.
Good advice, thanks for posting.
Alex
Still I know an 04 Z06 has 400 HP and they can be daily drivers.
I hear what you're all saying though, taking notes in fact,
that 400 HP at the wheels would be about the limit of a daily driver's comfort level.Good advice, thanks for posting.
Alex
03-07-2004, 07:08 PM
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Well a 03+ Z06 will only have 355-365rwhp, but it will also weigh anywhere from 250-500 lbs less than a F-body. You can be very streetable with 400rwhp, especially with a 6-spd. Like I said, it all depends on what you are willing to sacrifice for speed. For pure daily-driver, it's hard to beat a $600 nitrous kit...
03-07-2004, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
Well a 03+ Z06 will only have 355-365rwhp, but it will also weigh anywhere from 250-500 lbs less than a F-body. You can be very streetable with 400rwhp, especially with a 6-spd. Like I said, it all depends on what you are willing to sacrifice for speed. For pure daily-driver, it's hard to beat a $600 nitrous kit...
but i agree with the rest of your sentiments
03-08-2004, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjamin Russick
There are no well-mannered, cam-only 450rwhp cars, period. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but take a lot of these rwhp claims with a grain of salt... A really good heads/cam combo will net you 450rwhp with tolerable driveability, but you won't mistake it for being stock. My 425rwhp set-up would make a lousy daily-driver. Of course, it all depends on the driver's threshold of annoyance...
Forced induction on an LS1 is a lot more involved than just slapping on a blower/turbo. Read the FI forum, if you don't believe me...
Forced induction on an LS1 is a lot more involved than just slapping on a blower/turbo. Read the FI forum, if you don't believe me...
Sure, for a weekend warrior, it might be worth it, bit not for a daily driver ect.
..I know there is a lot more than slapping the blower on,
That is why it won't be installed until like decemeber. Too many supporting mods need to go along with it, clutch, fuel system, gauges, tuning, logging, im going to get a wideband, ect.. Ryan
03-08-2004, 08:23 AM
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This thread is getting crazy. First off you dont need 700hp to go fast. There are A4 cars with 370 at the wheels turning 10.9's. If it were me i would call TSP get PP LS6 st.2 heads and a tsp 231/237 and it will pull 450hp. Its proven time and again. The package is $2100. Most turbos are in the 500hp range and need alot of tuning. Its a constant process. They run into alot of little problems. If the TSP package isnt enough slap on a 100shot dry kit. There is 550rwhp and there goes the rearend. If you need more than 550hp then you are a track only car or you just flat out cant drive.JMO 
03-08-2004, 08:45 AM
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Slow: I wasn't really directing those comments about "slapping" FI towards you, but just making a comment. I would like to throw a blower on top of my heads/cam car someday as an alternative to nitrous, but my TNT kit is a no fuss affair asides from filling the bottle.
98SS Blkatk: You make a good point. My car is probably slower than many cars with 150less HP because I can't stick (and my clucth slips on the squeeze). A well-sorted suspension is key to being quick...HP is for going fast.
98SS Blkatk: You make a good point. My car is probably slower than many cars with 150less HP because I can't stick (and my clucth slips on the squeeze). A well-sorted suspension is key to being quick...HP is for going fast.
03-08-2004, 02:23 PM
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BlackAttack, you said, 'If it were me i would call TSP get PP LS6 st.2 heads and a tsp 231/237 and it will pull 450hp. Its proven time and again. The package is $2100.'
Who is TSP are they a sponsor here? If you could provide a link I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Alex
Who is TSP are they a sponsor here? If you could provide a link I'd greatly appreciate it.
Thanks,
Alex
03-08-2004, 04:02 PM
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a turbo or supercharger is nice and can make tons of power until it blows up your stock motor................and that is not nice so ya cant just figure the price of a turbo kit and think you will be done. then after ya blow your motor you will have to fix all the broken parts of your drivetrain. unless of course you run real low boost..... but whats the use????
