Flywheels??
07-14-2015, 10:35 PM
#4
I took it a step further and went with a light weight pressure plate with my 14 pound flywheel. Awesome for road race, a bit much (but manageable) for Auto-X and street, and probably sucks big time for drag (I don't drag race the car). Launching the car from a dead stop requires some concentration and relatively high revs.
07-15-2015, 11:28 AM
#5
Launching!
depends what you are going to do with the car? drag? autox? street?
i autox so i went with the 18lbs billet monster unit...nice piece. truth be told, the difference in acceleration is barely noticeable compared to the stock 28lb flywheel that was in the car.
their are some arguments for staying with the stock 28lb flywheel as it was engineered that way for a reason. it may not rev as quickly but it will be smoother. smoother cars are easier to drive fast...
as far as the tick is concerned, if you are not racing, i would not go with the adjustable unit as it stiffens the pedal a fair bit...iirc, they make a non-adj. clutch master that has a stock 3/4" bore and uses tilton but they don't advertise it...the latter is most often used for twin disc application since the adj. unit sends too much fluid to the slave.
i autox so i went with the 18lbs billet monster unit...nice piece. truth be told, the difference in acceleration is barely noticeable compared to the stock 28lb flywheel that was in the car.
their are some arguments for staying with the stock 28lb flywheel as it was engineered that way for a reason. it may not rev as quickly but it will be smoother. smoother cars are easier to drive fast...
as far as the tick is concerned, if you are not racing, i would not go with the adjustable unit as it stiffens the pedal a fair bit...iirc, they make a non-adj. clutch master that has a stock 3/4" bore and uses tilton but they don't advertise it...the latter is most often used for twin disc application since the adj. unit sends too much fluid to the slave.
07-16-2015, 10:31 AM
#6
depends what you are going to do with the car? drag? autox? street?
i autox so i went with the 18lbs billet monster unit...nice piece. truth be told, the difference in acceleration is barely noticeable compared to the stock 28lb flywheel that was in the car.
their are some arguments for staying with the stock 28lb flywheel as it was engineered that way for a reason. it may not rev as quickly but it will be smoother. smoother cars are easier to drive fast...
as far as the tick is concerned, if you are not racing, i would not go with the adjustable unit as it stiffens the pedal a fair bit...iirc, they make a non-adj. clutch master that has a stock 3/4" bore and uses tilton but they don't advertise it...the latter is most often used for twin disc application since the adj. unit sends too much fluid to the slave.
i autox so i went with the 18lbs billet monster unit...nice piece. truth be told, the difference in acceleration is barely noticeable compared to the stock 28lb flywheel that was in the car.
their are some arguments for staying with the stock 28lb flywheel as it was engineered that way for a reason. it may not rev as quickly but it will be smoother. smoother cars are easier to drive fast...
as far as the tick is concerned, if you are not racing, i would not go with the adjustable unit as it stiffens the pedal a fair bit...iirc, they make a non-adj. clutch master that has a stock 3/4" bore and uses tilton but they don't advertise it...the latter is most often used for twin disc application since the adj. unit sends too much fluid to the slave.
Interesting (and valid) counter argument to going with the quicker revving lightweight flywheel -- smoother. I could totally see that (however still love the lightweight one).
Regarding the Tick non-adjustable unit -- have you used it? I'm about to pull my hair out with fine tuning my adjustable unit and the pedal is noticeably harder.
Despite it's deficiencies in supporting an aftermarket clutch setup and relatively high RPM shifting, my driving was smoother with the stock MC. The shifts with the Tick are quick and abrupt -- that's certainly supposed to be a performance enhancement, however I'm concerned about how it will upset the balance of the car on track.
07-16-2015, 01:54 PM
#7
Launching!
That post was chock full of good thoughts.
Interesting (and valid) counter argument to going with the quicker revving lightweight flywheel -- smoother. I could totally see that (however still love the lightweight one).
Regarding the Tick non-adjustable unit -- have you used it? I'm about to pull my hair out with fine tuning my adjustable unit and the pedal is noticeably harder.
Despite it's deficiencies in supporting an aftermarket clutch setup and relatively high RPM shifting, my driving was smoother with the stock MC. The shifts with the Tick are quick and abrupt -- that's certainly supposed to be a performance enhancement, however I'm concerned about how it will upset the balance of the car on track.
Interesting (and valid) counter argument to going with the quicker revving lightweight flywheel -- smoother. I could totally see that (however still love the lightweight one).
Regarding the Tick non-adjustable unit -- have you used it? I'm about to pull my hair out with fine tuning my adjustable unit and the pedal is noticeably harder.
Despite it's deficiencies in supporting an aftermarket clutch setup and relatively high RPM shifting, my driving was smoother with the stock MC. The shifts with the Tick are quick and abrupt -- that's certainly supposed to be a performance enhancement, however I'm concerned about how it will upset the balance of the car on track.
i hear yah...it's a pain to get the tick just right. it is significantly more challenging to keep things smooth with this setup as a result of the pedal feel. i've already destroyed a throwout bearing due to sending to much fluid to the slave.
I have not used it but i called tick to ask them about it and they told me that a non-adj. 3/4" bore tilton master cyl. was available for our cars. he also mentioned it was $45 dollars more which makes no sense...either way i am surprised they don't advertise it.
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07-16-2015, 06:50 PM
#8
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Regarding the Tick non-adjustable unit -- have you used it? I'm about to pull my hair out with fine tuning my adjustable unit and the pedal is noticeably harder.
Despite it's deficiencies in supporting an aftermarket clutch setup and relatively high RPM shifting, my driving was smoother with the stock MC. The shifts with the Tick are quick and abrupt -- that's certainly supposed to be a performance enhancement, however I'm concerned about how it will upset the balance of the car on track.
Despite it's deficiencies in supporting an aftermarket clutch setup and relatively high RPM shifting, my driving was smoother with the stock MC. The shifts with the Tick are quick and abrupt -- that's certainly supposed to be a performance enhancement, however I'm concerned about how it will upset the balance of the car on track.
I also didn't have any trouble adjusting it/fine tuning it. Just followed the instructions and never looked back. I wonder if i got an earlier unit that didn't have these issues that you guys are having? I also had to adjust it pretty close to where the peddle was close to where it was stock to get the clutch to grab and be able to shift at high RPMs. Well hopefully nothing is wrong with mine as Ive had it like this for thousands of miles...
07-17-2015, 10:35 PM
#9
I never had a stock master to compare to, and will not have me complaining about the pedal feel of the tick adjustable.
Then again, this is a Tick running a T-5 Clutch and Flywheel on a T-56 transmission. I used the adjustable MC so I could fine tune the engagement point and take any slop out.
Then again, this is a Tick running a T-5 Clutch and Flywheel on a T-56 transmission. I used the adjustable MC so I could fine tune the engagement point and take any slop out.
07-20-2015, 10:11 AM
#10
Launching!
This is so weird, Ive never read anyone saying the tick MC made the clutch peddle harder... Makes me nervous now, as I have had a tick MC for like ~20,000 miles and I don't remember the peddle feeling any harder at all, first on the stock clutch setup, and now on an LS7 clutch/Ram flywheel setup (feels really close to stock, flywheel is lighter though).
I also didn't have any trouble adjusting it/fine tuning it. Just followed the instructions and never looked back. I wonder if i got an earlier unit that didn't have these issues that you guys are having? I also had to adjust it pretty close to where the peddle was close to where it was stock to get the clutch to grab and be able to shift at high RPMs. Well hopefully nothing is wrong with mine as Ive had it like this for thousands of miles...
I also didn't have any trouble adjusting it/fine tuning it. Just followed the instructions and never looked back. I wonder if i got an earlier unit that didn't have these issues that you guys are having? I also had to adjust it pretty close to where the peddle was close to where it was stock to get the clutch to grab and be able to shift at high RPMs. Well hopefully nothing is wrong with mine as Ive had it like this for thousands of miles...
I'll go back to the stock MC and do some testing just to see...