5.br0 vs LS2 GTO
04-26-2016, 02:57 PM
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The 401 was on E85 
. Not worried about hp numbers tho as the car runs fine for the power. As far as stall goes, its well know for 6r80 5 0s to gain .4-.5 with a stall. I have a couple of friends who did just that..gained half second.
Most of my comments regarding the LS1 are because of the Hio crew stating that the LS1>5.0... when in fact its not. Nowhere near... thats like saying the LS1>LS3....which the 5 0 is more comparable to. So my original statement stands. No LS1 equipped car at the same weight with the same mods will keep up. Thats not me being cocky... just stating the facts. All out NA? Yeah the LS1 can make similar power to a all out NA 5.0.
. Not worried about hp numbers tho as the car runs fine for the power. As far as stall goes, its well know for 6r80 5 0s to gain .4-.5 with a stall. I have a couple of friends who did just that..gained half second. Most of my comments regarding the LS1 are because of the Hio crew stating that the LS1>5.0... when in fact its not. Nowhere near... thats like saying the LS1>LS3....which the 5 0 is more comparable to. So my original statement stands. No LS1 equipped car at the same weight with the same mods will keep up. Thats not me being cocky... just stating the facts. All out NA? Yeah the LS1 can make similar power to a all out NA 5.0.
I guess the difference between me and other people, is that if I were to buy heads, they aren't going to be 243's that's lightly ported by Joe Blow. They are going to be some nice Tony Mammo heads, worked by him, same with the intake. If I didn't go with those, then whatever heads I so chose, would be sent off to Advanced Induction where their heads are known to make great power.
People don't want to spend the money one their cars to get all they can from them. So of course you're not going to see a bunch of good running ls cars, because they do their builds and try to save as much money as possible. Problem with that is, that each part they skimp on cause a trickle affect on hp. So by the time they are done, they saved $1500 (just a number), but has cost them 20-50rwhp. All that adds up
So if you want to go full sausage, H/C/I FBO build on both cars, I think it a lot closer than you think. Numbers are out there for the LS1 for all to see. Problem is that it isn't cost effective to do it, just like a cams sway in a 5.0.
Edit: As far as you putting a stall on yours, I'd feel very confident with taking the 11rwhp and a drag pack against you and it being a drivers race. The wheels will help my 60' by launching harder (more rpm's) with more sidewall and help rotation. All hypothetical here, but if you think it wouldn't be close, you're lying to yourself.
04-26-2016, 03:12 PM
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You literally say this in every thread that has a ls car in it.
I know you're supposedly "trash talking", but it gets old hearing you always use the weight comparison. I'd give anything to have my car na again, because I'd put ours both on the scale, add weight to mine if need be to equal it, and then this ls would **** all over it. we had to be pretty close in weight (within 50lbs), but I'm guessing you're close to 430-440rwhp with e85 vs my 390rwhp at the time. It would have been bad had I been the same hp level as you with the same weight.
I don't talk **** about the golden 5.0 coyote motor, I have said multiple time that it's a good motor and always give props to them when vids are posted. All this **** talking about a motor I happen to enjoy in my car, just gets old after the 1000th time. If it were the truth then it wouldn't bother me, but you don't seem to have a clue what a good running ls car can do.
Honestly man, I like you and we'd probably have a lot of fun hanging out and racing, but your car has gotten you awful cocky and it does run good for what it is, but it's not all that. I know quite a few "proper" ls cars that would do some serious mental ***** to your head after you ran them. Just sayin
If I offended you, sorry, it is what it is. I'm just saying what you say to every ls guy on here, so I'm not doing anything that you don't. Seriously, you guys can all think what you want, but when you get ahold of a well built, full weight fbody, you won't have anything for it, period! Try getting into other sections here other than srk and maybe you'll see what these cars can really do when people actually take time and do them right.
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I know you're supposedly "trash talking", but it gets old hearing you always use the weight comparison. I'd give anything to have my car na again, because I'd put ours both on the scale, add weight to mine if need be to equal it, and then this ls would **** all over it. we had to be pretty close in weight (within 50lbs), but I'm guessing you're close to 430-440rwhp with e85 vs my 390rwhp at the time. It would have been bad had I been the same hp level as you with the same weight.
I don't talk **** about the golden 5.0 coyote motor, I have said multiple time that it's a good motor and always give props to them when vids are posted. All this **** talking about a motor I happen to enjoy in my car, just gets old after the 1000th time. If it were the truth then it wouldn't bother me, but you don't seem to have a clue what a good running ls car can do.
Honestly man, I like you and we'd probably have a lot of fun hanging out and racing, but your car has gotten you awful cocky and it does run good for what it is, but it's not all that. I know quite a few "proper" ls cars that would do some serious mental ***** to your head after you ran them. Just sayin
If I offended you, sorry, it is what it is. I'm just saying what you say to every ls guy on here, so I'm not doing anything that you don't. Seriously, you guys can all think what you want, but when you get ahold of a well built, full weight fbody, you won't have anything for it, period! Try getting into other sections here other than srk and maybe you'll see what these cars can really do when people actually take time and do them right.
/end rant
04-26-2016, 03:24 PM
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Well, that is what I said, and it obviously makes sense since the 5.0 came with min 70hp more so bolt on I completely agree. But, if you want to get mod for mod, meaning FBO, cam (cams for you), intake, aftermarket heads, stall, then the LS1 absolutely will make every bit as much power. Not our problem that heads and cams don't do anything for those cars, they do for ours.
04-26-2016, 03:31 PM
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I'm just going off the way it used to be, where you're seeing 15-20rwhp on cams. I still stand behind my statement, the ls cars are out there that are pushing that kind of power on pump gas.
Edit: I better specify, that means if he's ported the intake, bigger throttle body, custom cam, etc.. with the stock 853's or 241 being dyno'd, then putting their heads on there. Obviously with only heads they aren't making that power. I worded it wrong for some.
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04-26-2016, 03:37 PM
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Haha, do you understand what unbiased means? D69 literally said that the reason he posted is because he was sick of seeing poppa post 100's of times in a negative way about the motor he loves so much.
04-26-2016, 03:57 PM
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How impressive do you mean? I honestly haven't looked at what they gain from heads and cams on the newer cars. I just hear everyone complaining that for the money, it's minimal gains and the heads flow really good from the factory already. Tony and AI usually see 46-64rwhp on the setups they choose from heads alone.
I'm just going off the way it used to be, where you're seeing 15-20rwhp on cams. I still stand behind my statement, the ls cars are out there that are pushing that kind of power on pump gas.
Edit: I better specify, that means if he's ported the intake, bigger throttle body, custom cam, etc.. with the stock 853's or 241 being dyno'd, then putting their heads on there. Obviously with only heads they aren't making that power. I worded it wrong for some.
I'm just going off the way it used to be, where you're seeing 15-20rwhp on cams. I still stand behind my statement, the ls cars are out there that are pushing that kind of power on pump gas.
Edit: I better specify, that means if he's ported the intake, bigger throttle body, custom cam, etc.. with the stock 853's or 241 being dyno'd, then putting their heads on there. Obviously with only heads they aren't making that power. I worded it wrong for some.
04-26-2016, 04:04 PM
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Definitely pricey on both to make 500rwhp and that's why most just throw nitrous or go fi. I did, because I would have had I'm guessing about 6 grand in it to do heads, TB, intake, rockers, etc... Now if I want 20-25rwhp I can just turn it up 1psi.
04-26-2016, 04:04 PM
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Well, that is what I said, and it obviously makes sense since the 5.0 came with min 70hp more so bolt on I completely agree. But, if you want to get mod for mod, meaning FBO, cam (cams for you), intake, aftermarket heads, stall, then the LS1 absolutely will make every bit as much power. Not our problem that heads and cams don't do anything for those cars, they do for ours.
I guess the difference between me and other people, is that if I were to buy heads, they aren't going to be 243's that's lightly ported by Joe Blow. They are going to be some nice Tony Mammo heads, worked by him, same with the intake. If I didn't go with those, then whatever heads I so chose, would be sent off to Advanced Induction where their heads are known to make great power.
People don't want to spend the money one their cars to get all they can from them. So of course you're not going to see a bunch of good running ls cars, because they do their builds and try to save as much money as possible. Problem with that is, that each part they skimp on cause a trickle affect on hp. So by the time they are done, they saved $1500 (just a number), but has cost them 20-50rwhp. All that adds up
So if you want to go full sausage, H/C/I FBO build on both cars, I think it a lot closer than you think. Numbers are out there for the LS1 for all to see. Problem is that it isn't cost effective to do it, just like a cams sway in a 5.0.
Edit: As far as you putting a stall on yours, I'd feel very confident with taking the 11rwhp and a drag pack against you and it being a drivers race. The wheels will help my 60' by launching harder (more rpm's) with more sidewall and help rotation. All hypothetical here, but if you think it wouldn't be close, you're lying to yourself.
I guess the difference between me and other people, is that if I were to buy heads, they aren't going to be 243's that's lightly ported by Joe Blow. They are going to be some nice Tony Mammo heads, worked by him, same with the intake. If I didn't go with those, then whatever heads I so chose, would be sent off to Advanced Induction where their heads are known to make great power.
People don't want to spend the money one their cars to get all they can from them. So of course you're not going to see a bunch of good running ls cars, because they do their builds and try to save as much money as possible. Problem with that is, that each part they skimp on cause a trickle affect on hp. So by the time they are done, they saved $1500 (just a number), but has cost them 20-50rwhp. All that adds up
So if you want to go full sausage, H/C/I FBO build on both cars, I think it a lot closer than you think. Numbers are out there for the LS1 for all to see. Problem is that it isn't cost effective to do it, just like a cams sway in a 5.0.
Edit: As far as you putting a stall on yours, I'd feel very confident with taking the 11rwhp and a drag pack against you and it being a drivers race. The wheels will help my 60' by launching harder (more rpm's) with more sidewall and help rotation. All hypothetical here, but if you think it wouldn't be close, you're lying to yourself.
04-26-2016, 04:06 PM
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04-26-2016, 04:09 PM
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I agree 100%! My whole point was that if it went mod for mod, it'd be pretty close. But obviously if you don't allow for heads and cam, the coyote will walk away from it.
Definitely pricey on both to make 500rwhp and that's why most just throw nitrous or go fi. I did, because I would have had I'm guessing about 6 grand in it to do heads, TB, intake, rockers, etc... Now if I want 20-25rwhp I can just turn it up 1psi.
Definitely pricey on both to make 500rwhp and that's why most just throw nitrous or go fi. I did, because I would have had I'm guessing about 6 grand in it to do heads, TB, intake, rockers, etc... Now if I want 20-25rwhp I can just turn it up 1psi.
04-26-2016, 04:22 PM
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You still are cool, IMO, but you've definitely changed lol.
04-26-2016, 04:34 PM
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04-26-2016, 05:43 PM
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I have seen 500whp from intake, cam, 93 octane coyotes. Heads and e85 would be good for 550, no sbe ls1 making near that. So no its not really all that close to be honest, but it is way more expensive for a coyote to do it, no arguments there. Also bringing up drag pack wheel weights, stock pp wheels with tires are 64lbs. My "lightweight drag pack wheel" and tire is 54lbs. I would venture a guess it's still as heavy or heavier than stock fbody wheels. Poppa also ran those times with stock manifolds and cats. Imagine if he had that fixed and a stall, it wouldn't even be remotely close. Flame on.
04-26-2016, 05:49 PM
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Thought his fronts were 5" wide, no? So you're telling me, that the factory heads on a new coyote flow so shitty, that they pick up 35-40rwhp? Because e85 is only good for 10-15rwhp? Seems legit
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Not assuming anything. You guys are the ones that say e85 only gains 10-15rwhp, the rest was simple math. Out of the 50rwhp from heads and e85, that leaves 35-40reho for heads. Which means these new factory coyote heads must flow like ****?
04-26-2016, 06:22 PM
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I have seen 500whp from intake, cam, 93 octane coyotes. Heads and e85 would be good for 550, no sbe ls1 making near that. So no its not really all that close to be honest, but it is way more expensive for a coyote to do it, no arguments there. Also bringing up drag pack wheel weights, stock pp wheels with tires are 64lbs. My "lightweight drag pack wheel" and tire is 54lbs. I would venture a guess it's still as heavy or heavier than stock fbody wheels. Poppa also ran those times with stock manifolds and cats. Imagine if he had that fixed and a stall, it wouldn't even be remotely close. Flame on.
6gen been faster than poppa drag pak only.
You're gonna struggle to get to 500whp with a cam only coyote. It could probably be done...but likely only done on the dyno for the purpose of doin it.
Btw....ls6 has been 525whp cam only
No matter how you slice it the coyote is only comparable to the ls1/ls6. It's just to limited. Now does that mean it can't make good power.....no. Does it mean you can't have a fast fun car.....no.
What it means is if you come across a ls that has did his homework it's gonna stomp you.
Either way they end up way short of what can be done with ls heads.
Seems as tho you missed some facts