Our cars and REAL Jap. sports cars
11-08-2005, 02:11 AM
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Our cars and REAL Jap. sports cars I was wondering, how do our cars compare to real Japanese sports cars. Cars intended to race, like the 350Z, RX8, Supra, WRX STI, and the Lancer Evo.
A friend of mine and me were discussing which car would win a race; an LS1 F-body or a 350Z. We concluded that the F-body would win in a drag race and the 350Z would win in a road course. Thats assuming both cars were stock and had the same driver.
A friend of mine and me were discussing which car would win a race; an LS1 F-body or a 350Z. We concluded that the F-body would win in a drag race and the 350Z would win in a road course. Thats assuming both cars were stock and had the same driver.
11-08-2005, 03:35 AM
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^ what he said- rx-8 is crap compared to the RX-7. the new Skyline (g35) is also crap. stock for stock LS1's should own in a straight line, though i think the supra holds its own. but we start falling back in the twisties
11-08-2005, 05:23 AM
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I agree RX-8's are peices of pig vomit. They were built to handle well not race. 350z's G35's supra's Evo's and skylines are really the only imports I have somewhat of a respect for.
11-08-2005, 05:31 AM
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when talking about racing you can pretty much can the idea of the cars being stock. And any of the above mentioned cars (minus the rx8 and 350Z) with bolt-ons, good tuning are a worthy race for the infamous LS1. I actually enjoy racing LS1 powered cars more than anything because they tend to give me the best runs. Of course i'm only talking about bolt-on cars... I'm not ready for the cam'd or spraying cars yet. lol
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11-08-2005, 05:43 AM
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How much crap can you get in one thread.
The RX-8 is actually a very good car. It had been claimed to be one of the best most balanced cars in it's class. It might not be the fastest, but it's no slouch and has a top speed over 140mph. For all the haters, if you don't like it - fine don't buy one. But DON'T crap on it because you don't understand what it was designed to do.
350z is decently quick straight line, but is not that great in the corners. The latter models are better. But it's no handling champ. It would need a very short and twisty track to beat a Z28/TA. On a larger circuit it would not stand a chance. Due to unstable rear end. The NISMO variant is actually a very decent neutral handler, even if it does looks a bit odd.
Supra is old and hasn't been made in years. Was a decent'ish car in it's day. And if you stood far enough away from it, it even looked a bit like a supercar. Can be made very fast too.
STi has always been an understeer queen. Makes it safe for road use, but seriously hampers circuit appeal. Pretty quick stock. But most of it is due to 4wd launches.
Evo, is easily a very fast circuit car. Allowing stupid cornering speeds. It does not suffer from understeer like the Sti. Also tends to have more poke and straightline grunt.
How much crap can you get in one thread.
The RX-8 is actually a very good car. It had been claimed to be one of the best most balanced cars in it's class. It might not be the fastest, but it's no slouch and has a top speed over 140mph. For all the haters, if you don't like it - fine don't buy one. But DON'T crap on it because you don't understand what it was designed to do.
350z is decently quick straight line, but is not that great in the corners. The latter models are better. But it's no handling champ. It would need a very short and twisty track to beat a Z28/TA. On a larger circuit it would not stand a chance. Due to unstable rear end. The NISMO variant is actually a very decent neutral handler, even if it does looks a bit odd.
Supra is old and hasn't been made in years. Was a decent'ish car in it's day. And if you stood far enough away from it, it even looked a bit like a supercar. Can be made very fast too.
STi has always been an understeer queen. Makes it safe for road use, but seriously hampers circuit appeal. Pretty quick stock. But most of it is due to 4wd launches.
Evo, is easily a very fast circuit car. Allowing stupid cornering speeds. It does not suffer from understeer like the Sti. Also tends to have more poke and straightline grunt.
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11-08-2005, 05:59 AM
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The rx8 was a very big letdown for the rotary crowd. I've tested one and though it handles superbly, the straight line performance is just not their. especially considering thier HP "claim". not crapping on it just sharing my view. I had no idea they got up to 140 but i imagine it would take an extremely long time to do it.
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11-08-2005, 08:10 AM
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Isn't the RX8 in the US rated at 250 or 260 bhp? The Asian market RX8 is a real piece - only 210 hp. I guess that's what they sell in the Middle East too. No wonder the car crazy UAE crowd doesn't give a rat's *** about it. It should do 140 mph though - heck we even got 15 sec Civics here with only an engine swap that'll do 140+ given enough room.
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11-08-2005, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeep_junkie
Isn't the RX8 in the US rated at 250 or 260 bhp? The Asian market RX8 is a real piece - only 210 hp. I guess that's what they sell in the Middle East too. No wonder the car crazy UAE crowd doesn't give a rat's *** about it. It should do 140 mph though - heck we even got 15 sec Civics here with only an engine swap that'll do 140+ given enough room.
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For the bhp I think it's about bang on performance wise. And a non turbo RX7 never did any better. In fact never as good.
11-08-2005, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by transAm-98
^ what he said- rx-8 is crap compared to the RX-7. the new Skyline (g35) is also crap. stock for stock LS1's should own in a straight line, though i think the supra holds its own. but we start falling back in the twisties
11-08-2005, 03:46 PM
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Im absolutely in love with evo's but not RX8's. I would think their lack of power would put them way back in circuit races despite the fact that they handle "superbly". I dont see how people buy those things. Naturally aspirated rotary engine....what were they thinking. Can someone just please explian to me why they didnt throw a little turbo on there and generate close to 300hp at least. After seeing the RX8 and its "potential" , I have no respect for Mazda. No as far as older RX7's.....there happens to be quite a few fast ones here in South Florida. Some of them are at the TOWER SHOPS CAR SHOW. Slow Vette, you might know what im talking about.
11-08-2005, 04:35 PM
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I thought thatthe real weakness of the rx8 was the lack of tourqe. I read an article a while back in Automobile magazine and they did a long term test on it and had nothing but bad things to say. The main two were lack of get up and go and how it ate oil like crazy.
11-08-2005, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Jimbo
Im absolutely in love with evo's but not RX8's. I would think their lack of power would put them way back in circuit races despite the fact that they handle "superbly". I dont see how people buy those things. Naturally aspirated rotary engine....what were they thinking. Can someone just please explian to me why they didnt throw a little turbo on there and generate close to 300hp at least. After seeing the RX8 and its "potential" , I have no respect for Mazda. No as far as older RX7's.....there happens to be quite a few fast ones here in South Florida.
1. The RX8 was not designed for the US market. Outside the US large V8's are frowned upon. Which is kinda stupid as the RX8 has crap fuel economy.
2. The RX8 is pretty darn fast really. Times from around the Top Gear test track:
BMW M3 - 1.31.8
Nissan 350z - 1.31.8
Mazda RX8 - 1.31.8
Audi TT V6 - 1.32.7
VW Gold R32 - 1.33.2
Cadillac CTS-V - 1.33.3
Holden Monaro - 1.33.9
11-08-2005, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Quik Z06
Lol, their Sports Sedans 
This is the car that spawned the Impreza WRX, which Colin McRae took to victory in 1995 as world rally champion.
And the Mitsubishi Galant was the father of the EVo. Ari Vatanen used to drive one. I think it had 4 wheel steering on the rally cars as well as 4 wheel drive, this was a first for Group A.
11-08-2005, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Big Jimbo
Im absolutely in love with evo's but not RX8's. I would think their lack of power would put them way back in circuit races despite the fact that they handle "superbly". I dont see how people buy those things. Naturally aspirated rotary engine....what were they thinking. Can someone just please explian to me why they didnt throw a little turbo on there and generate close to 300hp at least. After seeing the RX8 and its "potential" , I have no respect for Mazda. No as far as older RX7's.....there happens to be quite a few fast ones here in South Florida. Some of them are at the TOWER SHOPS CAR SHOW. Slow Vette, you might know what im talking about.